Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club (US Navy from 1965 to 1975)

[upyr1]

We've got the UH-1, a community A-4, and the following on the way A-6, A-7, F-8 and a Naval F-4 sometime after the E. So why not get some Vietnam era ships? 

[Northstar98]

Hell, we're sorely missing ships for what's currently in DCS.

The Forrestal currently has no 90s escorts (though you can fudge in the OHP and the Ticonderoga, though pedantically speaking, they're both from the 2000s).

There's only 1 non-US BLUFOR ship (apart from the South Atlantic Asset Pack), and most REDFOR ships are in need of a graphical overhaul (and the Chinese Asset Pack ships aren't much better).

Then again, the whole naval environment in DCS is sorely lacking, in just about every aspect.

Spoiler

Here's the current roster, excluding the South Atlantic Assets.

Entries marked in yellow are planned/WIP, entries marked in green are present in the files.

USA:

• CV - Aircraft Carriers:
  • Forrestal-class:
    • CV 59 Forrestal - c. 90s (post SLEP)
    • CV 60 Saratoga
    • CV 61 Ranger
    • CV 62 Independence
• CVN - Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers:
  • Nimitz-subclass:
    • CVN 70 Carl Vinson - c. 1989 (legacy unit from Flanker 2.5 - in dire need of a major graphical update)
  • Nimitz-Roosevelt-subclass: (all of which fire the wrong Sea Sparrow variant - should be RIM-7P instead of M).
    • CVN 71 Theodore Roosevelt - c. mid-to-late 2000s [SC]
    • CVN 72 Abraham Lincoln - c. mid-to-late 2000s [SC]
    • CVN 73 George Washington - c. mid 2000s [SC]
    • CVN 74 John C. Stennis - c. mid 2000s
    • CVN 75 Harry S. Truman - c. mid-to-late 2000s [SC]
• LHA - Landing Helicopter Assault:
  • Tarawa-class
    • LHA 1 Tarawa - c. 2000s
• DDG - Guided Missile Destroyers:
  • Arleigh-Burke-class Flight IIA 5"/62 - c. 2010s (though is somewhat of a Frankenstein's monster) [SC]
• CG - Guided Missile Cruisers:
  • Ticonderoga-class [Mk41 VLS] - c. late 2000s (liveries include Baseline II and III ships)
• FFG - Guided Missile Frigates:
  • Oliver Hazard Perry-class (long) - c. early 2000s (though is somewhat of a Frankenstein's monster - has Mk13 GMLS, but no STIR).
• LST - Landing Ship Tanks:
  • LST(2) - c. WWII (1943 - 1945)
• APA - Attack Personnel Transports:
  • Arthur Middleton-class:
    • APA 26 Samuel Chase - c. WWII (1942 - 1947)
• LCVP - Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel:
  • LCVP (Higgins boat) - c. WWII (1942 - 1945)

Germany:

• PCFG - Fast Guided Missile Patrol Craft:
  • Type 148 Tiger-class [La Combattante IIa] - c. early 90s - early 2000s (though fires the wrong missile)
• SS - Submarine
  • Type VIIC U-boat (late) - c. 1944/45
• FAC - Fast Attack Craft
  • S-100 class E-boat - c. 1943-1945

Russia/Soviet Union:

• TAVKR - Heavy Aviation Cruisers:
  • Pr. 1143.5 Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov [Kuznetsov CV/CVG] (SC and legacy unit, though the SC version has features that could definitely be improved).
• TARKR - Heavy Nuclear Missile Cruisers:
  • Pr. 1144 'Orlan' (Hawk) [Kirov CGN]
    • Pr. 1144.2 Pyotr Veliky (Peter the Great) - c. late 90s - late 2010s (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
• RKR - Missile Cruisers:
  • Pr. 1164 'Atlant' (Atlas) [Slava CG]
    • "Moskva" (Moscow) - c. mid 90s - late 2010s
• SKR - Patrol Ships:
  • Pr. 1135M 'Burevestnik-M' (Storm-petrel-M) [Krivak II FFG] - c. mid 70s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
  • Pr. 1540 'Yastreb' (Hawk) [Neutrashimy FFG] - c. early-to-mid 90s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
• MPK - Small Anti-Submarine Ships:
  • Pr. 1124M 'Albatross' [Grisha V FFL] - c. mid to late 80s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
• RK - Missile Boats:
  • Pr. 1241.1M 'Molniya' (Lightning) [Tarantul III PCFG] - c. mid-to-late 80s - present
• DEPL - Multipurpose Diesel Electric Submarines:
  • Pr. 877 'Paltus' [Kilo SSK]
    • B-871 "Alrosa" (Pr. 877V [Kilo Mod SSK]) - c. mid-to-late 90s - present
  • Pr. 636.3 'Varshavyanka' (Varsovian) [Improved Kilo SSK] - c. mid 2010s - present
• BDK - Large Landing Ships:
  • Pr. 775 [Ropucha I LST] - c. mid 70s - present
• SMT - Medium Sea Going Tankers:
  • Pr. 160 [Altay AOR]:
    • "Elnya" - c. late 60s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)

China:

• Destroyers:
  • Type 052B Destroyer [Luyang I DDG]
  • Type 052C Destroyer [Luyang II DDG]
• Frigates:
  • Type 054A Frigate [Jiangkai II FFG]
• Amphibious Transport Dock:
  • Type 071 Amphibious Transport Dock [Yuzhao LPD]
• Attack Submarines:
  • Type 093 [Shang SSN]

Edited February 8, 2022 by Northstar98

[upyr1]

I figure if we ever get Naval modules this would have to be one 

[Mike Force Team]

Yes, the naval aspect of ED has been neglected for quite some time.  I hope that ED will update this component with more modern ships that work properly.

MFT

[upyr1]

20 hours ago, Mike Force Team said:

Yes, the naval aspect of ED has been neglected for quite some time.  I hope that ED will update this component with more modern ships that work properly.

MFT

That's the reason I'm always going on about Naval modules. Eagle's business model requires them to be constantly releasing modules. Changing something in DCS core even though it is welcomed is a drain on Eagle, but if they do the naval modules then the playable ships will cover the costs and add something to the game. 

On 2/5/2022 at 7:36 AM, Northstar98 said:

Hell, we're sorely missing ships for what's currently in DCS.

The Forrestal currently has no 90s escorts (though you can fudge in the OHP and the Ticonderoga, though pedantically speaking, they're both from the 2000s).

There's only 1 non-US BLUFOR ship (apart from the South Atlantic Asset Pack), and most REDFOR ships are in need of a graphical overhaul (and the Chinese Asset Pack ships aren't much better).

Then again, the whole naval environment in DCS is sorely lacking, in just about every aspect.

  Reveal hidden contents

Here's the current roster, excluding the South Atlantic Assets.

Entries marked in yellow are planned/WIP, entries marked in green are present in the files.

USA:

• CV - Aircraft Carriers:
  • Forrestal-class:
    • CV 59 Forrestal - c. 90s (post SLEP)
    • CV 60 Saratoga
    • CV 61 Ranger
    • CV 62 Independence
• CVN - Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers:
  • Nimitz-subclass:
    • CVN 70 Carl Vinson - c. 1989 (legacy unit from Flanker 2.5 - in dire need of a major graphical update)
  • Nimitz-Roosevelt-subclass: (all of which fire the wrong Sea Sparrow variant - should be RIM-7P instead of M).
    • CVN 71 Theodore Roosevelt - c. mid-to-late 2000s [SC]
    • CVN 72 Abraham Lincoln - c. mid-to-late 2000s [SC]
    • CVN 73 George Washington - c. mid 2000s [SC]
    • CVN 74 John C. Stennis - c. mid 2000s
    • CVN 75 Harry S. Truman - c. mid-to-late 2000s [SC]
• LHA - Landing Helicopter Assault:
  • Tarawa-class
    • LHA 1 Tarawa - c. 2000s
• DDG - Guided Missile Destroyers:
  • Arleigh-Burke-class Flight IIA 5"/62 - c. 2010s (though is somewhat of a Frankenstein's monster) [SC]
• CG - Guided Missile Cruisers:
  • Ticonderoga-class [Mk41 VLS] - c. late 2000s (liveries include Baseline II and III ships)
• FFG - Guided Missile Frigates:
  • Oliver Hazard Perry-class (long) - c. early 2000s (though is somewhat of a Frankenstein's monster - has Mk13 GMLS, but no STIR).
• LST - Landing Ship Tanks:
  • LST(2) - c. WWII (1943 - 1945)
• APA - Attack Personnel Transports:
  • Arthur Middleton-class:
    • APA 26 Samuel Chase - c. WWII (1942 - 1947)
• LCVP - Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel:
  • LCVP (Higgins boat) - c. WWII (1942 - 1945)

Germany:

• PCFG - Fast Guided Missile Patrol Craft:
  • Type 148 Tiger-class [La Combattante IIa] - c. early 90s - early 2000s (though fires the wrong missile)
• SS - Submarine
  • Type VIIC U-boat (late) - c. 1944/45
• FAC - Fast Attack Craft
  • S-100 class E-boat - c. 1943-1945

Russia/Soviet Union:

• TAVKR - Heavy Aviation Cruisers:
  • Pr. 1143.5 Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov [Kuznetsov CV/CVG] (SC and legacy unit, though the SC version has features that could definitely be improved).
• TARKR - Heavy Nuclear Missile Cruisers:
  • Pr. 1144 'Orlan' (Hawk) [Kirov CGN]
    • Pr. 1144.2 Pyotr Veliky (Peter the Great) - c. late 90s - late 2010s (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
• RKR - Missile Cruisers:
  • Pr. 1164 'Atlant' (Atlas) [Slava CG]
    • "Moskva" (Moscow) - c. mid 90s - late 2010s
• SKR - Patrol Ships:
  • Pr. 1135M 'Burevestnik-M' (Storm-petrel-M) [Krivak II FFG] - c. mid 70s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
  • Pr. 1540 'Yastreb' (Hawk) [Neutrashimy FFG] - c. early-to-mid 90s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
• MPK - Small Anti-Submarine Ships:
  • Pr. 1124M 'Albatross' [Grisha V FFL] - c. mid to late 80s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)
• RK - Missile Boats:
  • Pr. 1241.1M 'Molniya' (Lightning) [Tarantul III PCFG] - c. mid-to-late 80s - present
• DEPL - Multipurpose Diesel Electric Submarines:
  • Pr. 877 'Paltus' [Kilo SSK]
    • B-871 "Alrosa" (Pr. 877V [Kilo Mod SSK]) - c. mid-to-late 90s - present
  • Pr. 636.3 'Varshavyanka' (Varsovian) [Improved Kilo SSK] - c. mid 2010s - present
• BDK - Large Landing Ships:
  • Pr. 775 [Ropucha I LST] - c. mid 70s - present
• SMT - Medium Sea Going Tankers:
  • Pr. 160 [Altay AOR]:
    • "Elnya" - c. late 60s - present (legacy asset, in dire need of a graphical overhaul)

China:

• Destroyers:
  • Type 052B Destroyer [Luyang I DDG]
  • Type 052C Destroyer [Luyang II DDG]
• Frigates:
  • Type 054A Frigate [Jiangkai II FFG]
• Amphibious Transport Dock:
  • Type 071 Amphibious Transport Dock [Yuzhao LPD]
• Attack Submarines:
  • Type 093 [Shang SSN]

 

What ships would you want to see the most from the time period? I figure a period correct version of the Forestalls would be a good starting point. I'd also love to see the Galveston-class guided missile cruisers especially CLG-5 USS Oklahoma City not only because I'm from Oklahoma but also she holds the distinction of being the first ship to fire a surface to surface missile in combat she hit a NVA early warning radar with a Talos RIM-8H anti-radiation missile.

They were refitted Cleveland class cruisers here is a photo of the OKC as CL-91

here is a photo after the refit as CG-5

The CL-91 incarnation of the OKC  would go in the WW II asset pack and the CG-5 incarnation would not be. Then on the other hand we have ships like the USS New Jersey which are more alike than different. without going into too much 

She had her electronics updated, the dedicated AA guns removed and the captain turned a couple of gun tubs into pools. I'm not sure where to put her, except in a module. 

[Northstar98]

On 2/9/2022 at 5:52 PM, upyr1 said:

What ships would you want to see the most from the time period? I figure a period correct version of the Forestalls would be a good starting point. I'd also love to see the Galveston-class guided missile cruisers especially CLG-5 USS Oklahoma City not only because I'm from Oklahoma but also she holds the distinction of being the first ship to fire a surface to surface missile in combat she hit a NVA early warning radar with a Talos RIM-8H anti-radiation missile.

Personally, I'm most interested in things like frigates/destroyer escorts and destroyers, then cruisers, then aircraft carriers and then logistics/amphibious stuff, don't really mind which.

Though I know you're a fan of the Iowa.

[upyr1]

8 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

Personally, I'm most interested in things like frigates/destroyer escorts and destroyers, then cruisers, then aircraft carriers and then logistics/amphibious stuff, don't really mind which.

Though I know you're a fan of the Iowa.

It would be idiotic to have any capital ship without the rest of the battle group.  There are quite a few classes which I think would fit in nicely. Ideally if we ever get naval modules, I'd hope to get a few classes grouped together. I'm not sure how well that would work out, even if we don't I'd still like enough AI ships to build a period correct battle group

Edited February 12, 2022 by upyr1

[upyr1]

On 2/11/2022 at 10:49 AM, Northstar98 said:

Personally, I'm most interested in things like frigates/destroyer escorts and destroyers, then cruisers, then aircraft carriers and then logistics/amphibious stuff, don't really mind which.

Though I know you're a fan of the Iowa.

Anyway back to the point I was bringing up, what do you think of my suggestions that Eagle should put Korea and Vietnam era versions of the older ships in the WWII asset pack unless they went through some really drastic changes like the USS Oklahoma City, Essex-class carriers or the USS Gyatt which lost her rear turret when a refit changed her hull number from DD-712 to DDG-1

[upyr1]

@Hawkeye60 and @Admiral189 do you think you might add some of these ships to your do to list?

[upyr1]

 

[upyr1]

On 2/11/2022 at 10:49 AM, Northstar98 said:

Personally, I'm most interested in things like frigates/destroyer escorts and destroyers, then cruisers, then aircraft carriers and then logistics/amphibious stuff, don't really mind which.

Though I know you're a fan of the Iowa.

True that, being the last battleships is simply awesome. We need enough ships to have realistic battlegroups. I'd also love to see the brown water navy

[upyr1]

The Des Moines class cruisers should be here as well as the Gleaves class destroyers.