Are you really using jsow-a?

[ebabil]

I haven't tried it for a long time since I realized it can't kill any targets months ago. Today I gave a chance again.

In the 4ya syria server, I employed 4 jsows against a roland and a sa-15. 

3 of them succesfully exploded over the targets and let them get bomblet showers. But the result was zero damage at all. How is that possible? Even 1% damage didin't occur.

[Jetliner]

I had the same result on an SA11 site.  Bomblets everywhere but no kills or damage.

[Mike_CK]

They’re going to want a track file to look at if you have one (or can reproduce). 

[Jetliner]

Ill go run the mission again and save it.

[Jetliner]

JSOW damage.trk

Heres the track ^^

Cross posted in Bugs just in case.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Jetliner

[TEOMOOSE]

I think it would nice to have a list of some sort that would describes and categorize units that are in Dcs. For example which are considered light armored vehicles, because with the jsow-a thats the only thing you can destroy.

it has the blu-97/B combined effects bomb ( CEB) submunitions.  These bomblets have a shaped charge for armor defeating capability, a fragmenting case for material destruction, and a zirconium ring for incendiary effects. So its like the Cbu-87.

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by TEOMOOSE

[WHOGX5]

2 hours ago, TEOMOOSE said:

I think it would nice to have a list of some sort that would describes and categorize units that are in Dcs. For example which are considered light armored vehicles, because with the jsow-a thats the only thing you can destroy.

it has the blu-97/B combined effects bomb ( CEB) submunitions.  These bomblets have a shaped charge for armor defeating capability, a fragmenting case for material destruction, and a zirconium ring for incendiary effects. So its like the Cbu-87.

 

 

Yeah. I did a test a while back where I dropped 4 JSOWs abreast of eachother at the exact same locations each time against a square grid of enemy units, spaced 50ft apart in each direction. Against trucks I got an >90% probability in kill in quite a large area (about 500x250ft). Against SA-2 launchers, which you'd figure would be as vulnerable as trucks, the probability of kill was <20%. So yeah, I think this would have to be individually tested for each unit because there seems to be no logic behind it.

[TobiasA]

No, never. I rarely say this about anything, almost everything has a value and a purpose but the JSOW-A is very limited in terms of a purpose. Its only purpose is being a decoy for enemy SAM sites that are capable of intercepting incoming missiles.
I scored a hit on an SA-10 site that ran out of missiles, covering two radars in cluster munitions as well as three other vehicles and not one vehicle had a scratch (checked the life bar).

Unless you know that you face infantry or unarmored vehicles like trucks, it is dead weight. I already have a speedbrake, don't need to block a smart pylon with it.

Go with CBU-105 if you want cluster munitions. Those work just nice against vehicles while providing a not-so-bad stand-off range. Or LGB's / JDAM. A double rack GBU-12 are two kills, and they even work against maneuvring targets. Mavericks are no bad choice either.

[av8orDave]

I just flew a DEAD mission against an SA-11 site in DCS Liberation. First time I had used the CBU-87 in a bit (same munitions as the JSOW-A), and they didn't do a thing to the vehicles despite direct hits. The CBU-87 family (CBU-103, JSOW-A) used to be completely useless for this reason, but a few months ago they "fixed" them when the CBU-103 was added to the F-16. It looks like they're back to being useless. Ugh.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

JSOW-A sounds like a great stand-off weapon to bring along until you use it. It's terrible in the amount of damage it does to SAM sites in DCS (forget tanks). Using the C/Broach version is better in that it gets at least some confirmed kills. According to military.com...

The AGM-154A or “Baseline” configuration carries 145 BLU-97 sub munitions and is used to attack fixed and relocatable soft targets such as parked and revetment aircraft, trucks, armored personnel carriers and surface-to-air missile sites.