M2K or JF-17?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Just curious. It will a long way down my purchase list. And I don’t want to cross-post to the JF-17 forum. 
 

Thanks. 

[Torbernite]

I love both of them but they are totally different things. 

M2000C first if you like original 1980s flavor. JF if you like a simplified low-cost modern multirole fighter.

 

To me, M2000C is interesting with many features from the INS-only era. It's an early version and not so capable but the system limitation from earlier design is an important part of it. The radar modelling reflects the real features well.

And the module is already in a relatively stable stage, which means less changes in the future (still many system reworked recently, but you don't have to re-learn it from the very first).

 

JF is surely more capable than M2000C but not as capable as F-16 or 18. As its sensors and avionics is advanced and with a logic easy to learn, it could do many things in a comfortable way, but don't expect too much from a low-cost jet (although the module is not cheaper at all). Deka is a thoughtful developer, they introduced the only dynamic RCS model and true TVC FM in DCS (latter as Easter egg).

And the sensor and system include lots of work by Deka's own, some of which before ED's work on it, and needs more support from DCS API, some of which is still changing by ED in every update. So JF is now suffering from several new bugs coming up with every update for the change of DCS itself, and Deka is positive on fixing them. Besides, it only has a quick guide and no official manual, Chuck's guide is needed, but this is not too serious problem as the system logic is easy to learn.

 

Finally, it depends on yourself. I would suggest you to consider your preference first, and then your acceptability to an ever changing module. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Torbernite

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Thanks, I mean well, I will get both, eventually. It is a matter of which to get a little sooner.

[Ramsay]

17 hours ago, VFGiPJP said:

[M2K or JF-17?] Just curious.

It depends.

If you want a modern 2012 fighter that can do everything (CAP, CAS, ASM, HARM, TGP/Lase, etc.), the JF-17 is your choice and fills a similar roll to F-16/FA-18 while having a unique/modern cockpit design that's very different to the usual US design/layout.

The Mirage OTOH is a Fox 1, 80's fighter with limited A/G capability. The DCS version is being developed in co-operation with the French Airforce and as such, is a very realistic module with some unique/French ways of doing things.

Of the 2, I prefer the Mirage on the grounds of aesthetics, system design and realism but if looking at PvP vs modern Fox 3 fighters or wanting ASM, etc. I'd take the JF-17.

[Torbernite]

59分钟前，VFGiPJP说：

Thanks, I mean well, I will get both, eventually. It is a matter of which to get a little sooner.

If you are NOT in need for another modern jet just in no time to fight back against those throwing AMRAAM at you in PvP server:

I recommend to take M2000C first and wait for JF to get stable with its full function, which should be in just several months or even in next update.

 

But if so, take JF please.

[Akiazusa]

Personally for me,I am flying the Mirage for now while waiting for the official JF-17 manual.

The Mirage is relative old and lacks things like FOX3,GPS and TGP,which will force you to keep the lock during BVR combat,constantly update your INS position and do IP bombings.But you will also gain more experience by doing these,which will help you a lot when you finally switch to the JF-17.

Besides the Mirage is a joy to fly with some very unique French features that you will never get in other dcs aircraft.

The realism of both aircraft should not be a problem as Razbam is working with French Air Force and Deka has some sort of relationship with the aircraft manufacturer,but the lack of an official manual of JF is really a pain when you want to know some small detail of the aircraft.

[Galinette]

Asking this here is like going to McDonalds and ask whether McDonalds or KFC is better.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Hey, from my little experience, I can post this at the General and then it will be moved somewhere by the admin. And as I have said, I do not want to cross-post.

[Ramsay]

3 hours ago, Kercheiz said:

Asking this here is like going to McDonalds and ask whether McDonalds or KFC is better.

Yes and if McDonalds was serving bad food, lots of people who ate  there would tell you, the same is true here i.e. Razbam have been heavily criticised in the past for various things.

Today, both Razbam and the Mirage 2000C are in a good place with many old bugs fixed and continued improvements to systems modelling, etc. beyond what most people would expect for a "game".

When looking at the Mirage or JF-17 as an option, I think most players will already have (or looked at) the F/A-18C and F-16C, so will be looking for something different - a late 80's fighter or a modern 2012 multirole fighter (different but more of the same). Both are good in their own ways and it really comes down to what a player is looking for.

Edited March 13, 2022 by Ramsay

[Galinette]

This was a joke.

Actually McDonalds does serve bad food but people there seem to like it