fixed JSOW AGM-154A Low Damage

[NineLine]

7 hours ago, Hobel said:

Unless we have a simulation of shrapnel in DCS

Fragmentation modelling is planned but not in currently. Its compensated by size of the explosion for now.

[Hobel]

Am 3.6.2022 um 19:31 schrieb NineLine:

Fragmentation modelling is planned but not in currently. Its compensated by size of the explosion for now.

I am aware of that

but this no longer works, or only to a very  limited extent, with the Blu on grass or sand. Edit: Car road to.

And it seems to go only on airfield surfaces

Is that the intention?

 

 

Edit:

This does not apply to other weapons

have been tested:

GBU38
GB31
Maverick
M151 Hydra
Aim120C

SD 2

and others

Track:

 

SA68.trk

Edited June 20, 2022 by Hobel

[Hobel]

The mission(need Infinite Ammo Option On)F18AGM154vs8SA6.miz.miz

 

track 97Blutestvs8sa6.trk

 

what to see

 

EDIT:

I have tested other surfaces:

Airfields are the only ground on which the Blu97 have a HE effect against the SA6 STR.

SA6STR is here only one example
 also affects other vehicles sometimes more sometimes less.

Concrete has the same negative effect

Even against "soft ground", the Blu97 does not lose 100% of its HE effectiveness against light targets.

There is no  reason why this should happen in DCS.

 

there is definitely an undesirable side effect here

 

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2022 by Hobel

[Hobel]

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Hobel

[NineLine]

Ok, so I had some time tonight to look at this one, I hadn't heard anything back from testers as far as seeing any issues. 

First thing I noticed is you are using 1 AGM-154A vs 1 unit. I would assume you know this is not idea, even general clusters are not really meant for 1 vehicle, although you have more control on the release on those. 

When I changed your mission and set 4 units in a cross pattern 

The result was 2 dead, one over 50% damaged and one 25% damaged. I am not even sure they would use a 154A on this target, but this yields better results. Even when I tried your mission as is, you would get kills, but because it would require a direct hit of the shaped charge there is going to be a chance you don't get a good enough hit if at all.

Second Run
2 dead 2 at 25% Health

Third Run
3 dead 1 at 75% Health

Fourth Run
3 dead 1 at 50% Health

[Hobel]

Thanks for looking.
but I recommend you look again more closely at this post from me

 

vor 17 Stunden schrieb NineLine:

but because it would require a direct hit of the shaped charge

No direct hit is needed for the SA6 HE is sufficient on Airfields

This is the blast damage caused by a single Blu97 in the vicinity of four SA6 while standing on a runway.
~3-5 Blu97 have enough He effect to destroy a SA6.

^ HE Damage on Airfield ground

 

 

If you repeat the same test, while the targets are on a Road or on "normal" ground, there is no blast damage inflicted, even when the BLU97 explodes directly next to the SA-6

And this is the Main problem

 

 

and by the way, your result is what i want! just also on roads and other ground.

vor 17 Stunden schrieb NineLine:

Second Run
2 dead 2 at 25% Health

Third Run
3 dead 1 at 75% Health

Fourth Run
3 dead 1 at 50% Health

The surviving SA6 did not get a direct hit but received the pure HE damage, direct Blu97 hits always destroy SA6.

test this again on another surface, either the unit is destroyed by a direct hit or survives with full life

And that is an important difference! SA6 with low life are no longer operational

This video also shows it again perfectly:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have also repeated your cross test, as you can see there is no more HE damage on other surfaces.

Blu97 on Aifield HE Damage = YES
Blu97 on Road   HE Damage = No

but Why? 
Why is there a difference between the road and the airfield?

The Blu97 is the only weapon that has this bug or whatever

 

Spoiler

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Hobel

[NineLine]

Ok I see what you are saying now, the units off the runways dont seem to take any partial damage, its all or nothing, although I can still kill 2-3 units most times, the remaining units stay at 100%, I will see if its something to do with the softness of the ground maybe, maybe the submunitions are dampened by this, I am not sure. Will let you know what I find out.

[Hobel]

Thanks a lot

 

 

[NineLine]

Turns out there is a setting for different surfaces, which would be cool if we had a fragmentation model, so I think until we do, we are going to make all these equal to how the bombs react on runways, that should clear up most of this I hope.

Thanks!

[Hobel]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb NineLine:

which would be cool if we had a fragmentation model, so I think until we do, we are going to make all these equal to how the bombs react on runways, that should clear up most of this I hope.

That's exactly what I think.
And what I wanted to hear, thank you!!

Edited June 21, 2022 by Hobel

[NineLine]

Fix is already made, just waiting to see it come through our internal version to check. 

[NineLine]

Yes, so this is fixed internally. Thanks for you patience!

[Hobel]

it is fixed!

the AGM154A can finally be used reliably against soft targets!!!

thx!!!