BlackShark necessary to run later DCS modules?

[JimMack]

Am I right in thnking that any engine upgrades in subsequent packages will be made available to anyone who has bought previous packages?

 

You will have to buy the new product at full price. It is not an upgrade, it is a new aircraft/helo title. However in Multiplayer, you will be able to fly in a world with other players who have bought other aircraft/helo titles. Therefore if say the A-10 environment is upgraded, then there will be an upgrade for Black Shark owners to ensure compatability in multiplayer.

Edited December 22, 2008 by JimMack
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[PoleCat]

I really have to agree with GG on his perspective. I would gladly pay more then the asked price for any future DCS modules added. This type of simulation, this level of complexity and attention to detail is not to be found any place else in the consumer market.

 

Each and every AC added in a DCS module will be modeled just as the KA-50 was, in exquisite detail. The AFM, systems and weapons modeling is beyond anything I have known in any previous simulations.

 

I will simply pay the price and be thankful that there is such a company as ED in existence that is so committed to bringing us what we have yearned for as sim junkies all these years. Bring it on, my wallet is ready and I would consider the money very well spent even at a much higher price.

 

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[BattleMetalChris]

Not correct - you will have to buy the new product at full price. It is not an upgrade, it is a new aircraft/helo title. However in Multiplayer, you will be able to fly in a world with other players who have bought other aircraft/helo titles.

 

Ah right, fair enough. I knew that (obviously) you wouldn't get the new aircraft without buying the new package, but was just wondering about new engine tweaks, rendering updates, that kind of thing.

 

 

I had every intention on buying the new packages as soon as they came out anyway :D Just waiting for the english boxed version of BS.

[VMFA117_Poko]

Not correct - you will have to buy the new product at full price. It is not an upgrade, it is a new aircraft/helo title. However in Multiplayer, you will be able to fly in a world with other players who have bought other aircraft/helo titles.

It's not an upgrade but ED said about upgrading engine in near future. How will be multiplayer compatible if new DCS module will include new engine? Those who won't buy A-10 will be able to download a patch with upgrades?

[Krippz]

It's not an upgrade but ED said about upgrading engine in near future. How will be multiplayer compatible if new DCS module will include new engine? Those who won't buy A-10 will be able to download a patch with upgrades?

 

JimMack answered your question a couple of posts above.

[Grodin]

Well i sure hope they could atleast share the same configs, logbooks, GUI Launchers and such in those cases where one has more than one title installed.

 

Having to install same addons, make same config changes, copy missions etc etc all that to every installation of DCS..

 

Say i make a mission with A-10s and Ka-50s, id have to close the game, start another game, load mission there just to test it from that other planes perspective..

Edited December 22, 2008 by Grodin

[VMFA117_Poko]

Sorry, i overlooked one. Thanks Evontroy,

[BattleMetalChris]

I see - things like new netcode and I imagine any new visual effects like weapons (but not aircraft models - I'm guessing that will be done with a less detailed placeholder so they can appear in multiplayer but people can't fly the full version by tweaking files about) the new package needs will be available.

[rapid]

Keep up the good work DCS, if you make any addons that i want i will buy them.

[Krippz]

Sorry, i overlooked one. Thanks Evontroy,

 

Anytime!

[jctrnacty]

I think much better and much easier would be to have only one version to support, so every another version should contain the same data.

 

So if you have KA-50 now, then in A-10 addon you get ka-50 and a-10, then you have, ka-50 and a-10 and ah-64.

 

I´ll pay full price for every another version. No need to make different patches and versions.

 

I think it will be much easier for ED to support just one version and vindicate the full price.

 

Now beat me

[Grodin]

I think much better and much easier would be to have only one version to support, so every another version should contain the same data.

 

So if you have KA-50 now, then in A-10 addon you get ka-50 and a-10, then you have, ka-50 and a-10 and ah-64.

 

I´ll pay full price for every another version. No need to make different patches and versions.

 

I think it will be much easier for ED to support just one version and vindicate the full price.

 

Now beat me

 

 

Agreed, thats what im sayin.

[Maverick-GER-]

GGtharos just another question to that topic... but if the a10 will be out and i would decide not to get it there will be some kind of patch or sth like that so i get engine updates?

Must be like that right so dcs blackshark and dcs warthog will work together?

[GGTharos]

I would assume so, but you're asking a question that is above my paygrade :)

[rapid]

GGtharos just another question to that topic... but if the a10 will be out and i would decide not to get it there will be some kind of patch or sth like that so i get engine updates?

Must be like that right so dcs blackshark and dcs warthog will work together?

 

That is a good question, because the new mod may have better AI or background which should be made available to the KA-50 owners as well or the new add on mod may not work well together. It would be nice for some clarification on the matter.

[JimMack]

That is a good question, because the new mod may have better AI or background which should be made available to the KA-50 owners as well or the new add on mod may not work well together. It would be nice for some clarification on the matter.

 

Please see http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=597915&postcount=26

[Boberro]

So is this indeed the official DCS stand?

 

Dunno, long time ago I understood similar to this.

 

EDIT: I must revise some aspects as I see some changed.

Edited December 22, 2008 by Boberro

[RedTiger]

If you have to seriously question whether or not you'd be willing to pay another $50 for the next DCS module, perhaps this isn't the hobby for you. I'll assume that you didn't plunk down the thousands of dollars some of us have for computer upgrades, HOTAS, TrackIR, rudder pedals, etc. After all, if you did, would another $50 be that big of a deal? ;)

 

Hmm....on second thought, you might want to give up PC gaming altogether. :D

[zauii89]

So let me get this straight,

 

Each new module will be compatible with each other, say for example that you only wish to buy the A10 version of the DCS series you'll still be able to fly with other modules but not fly them yourself unless you own them.

 

Something similar to how Company of Heroes did with it's expansion Opposing Fronts.

So for people that tends to stay with the KA50 , i guess will still have to download the A10 content whenever it's released , even if they havn't bought it , so they will be compatible with each other via internet and lan play.

[scatter]

Hopefully if you buy multiple modules they'll integrate into a single system with a single EXE - whatever modules you purchase should determine what you can fly single/multiplayer. Also any module can fly standalone if desired.

 

TK does something like this with the "wings over" series. Engine updates get migrated to all titles but you can merge your older title content into the latest and greatest to have all flyable aircraft, campaigns etc.

 

This means that the latest sim can be standalone but at the same time it can also be integrated fully with older titles in the series - the best of both worlds.

 

As for cost, I'd happily pay more for DCS titles if the DVD version came without the DRM/limited activations. Each new title will be a full study sim (hopefully with different scenery to keep our interest - middle east would be a nice change) and the ability to fly them together makes them more valuable to me/ not less. When we get the A10c and the AH64 (please make it a longbow instead of the deprecated A model) we'll be able to fly really interesting co-ops with appropriate airframes performing their respective tasks.

[Chillspider]

how come at first everyone said apache was first now everyone is saying A-10 was apache a mis quote or did ED change there minds i would rather see us chopper added first so you have 2 sides. but if A-10 is next then i will be waiting a long time for next dcs purchase. A-10 is ok but i was excited i could have sworn i seen ED people say apache was first . =(

[rapid]

Please see http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=597915&postcount=26

 

Thanks JimMack its as i thought.

[Maverick-GER-]

If you have to seriously question whether or not you'd be willing to pay another $50 for the next DCS module, perhaps this isn't the hobby for you. I'll assume that you didn't plunk down the thousands of dollars some of us have for computer upgrades, HOTAS, TrackIR, rudder pedals, etc. After all, if you did, would another $50 be that big of a deal? ;)

 

Hmm....on second thought, you might want to give up PC gaming altogether. :D

 

For me it is not about the money.

It's like that lets say there is a su27 module coming but i dont give a .... bout russian aircraft, i wont have to buy it.

And if the module after the su27 would be a F-16 for example i would want that one... the question behind it was would i have to buy the su27 module just to be able to play online later with others who bought the su27 addon...

 

For example my last il2 version was pacific fighters because everything that came afterwards didnt interest me anymore... but in order to keep flying online i would have to get the pe2 addon and 1946 i think thats how it was, so that was my end of il2!

 

And i love they way ED is going for to make ALL modules compatible even if you skip one you dont like!

[GGTharos]

I don't know where you got the idea, because A-10 was always after the Ka-50.

 

how come at first everyone said apache was first now everyone is saying A-10 was apache a mis quote or did ED change there minds i would rather see us chopper added first so you have 2 sides. but if A-10 is next then i will be waiting a long time for next dcs purchase. A-10 is ok but i was excited i could have sworn i seen ED people say apache was first . =(

[Maverick-GER-]

yep i only heard pretty long time ago A-10 and Ah-64 would come out in the same module =) Was a misinterpretation of something i read tho =)

Anyhow since at least 3 month i always heard DCS black shark, DCS Warthog and DCS Apache in that row