Comrade Doge Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) Greetings readers, I am most pleased to see Link 16 being improved constantly on the F-16, most recently by the addition of the Primary Datalink Target / PDLT. In my recent readings over publicly available documentation for the F-16, I have stumbled across a feature that would surely be greatly appreciated by the Viper community, if implemented. I am talking about the Link 16 Expanded Data feature for the HSD and FCR formats. In short, this feature displays informative text about the Link 16 track under the cursors, namely aircraft type, it's airspeed, and in the case of donor members, also ordnance remaining, among many other data. To not be confused with the "Expand Mode", which is just a zoom-in feature on the HSD, as Wags detailed in a video. This information is available for further study in depth from the publicly available MLU M3 Update Manual, starting with page 160 (same document that described the already implemented PDLT functionality). If the development team finds this feasible, and time to implement this feature, it would be most appreciated. All the best and have an easy day! Edited May 31, 2022 by Comrade Doge 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Doge Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share Posted August 19, 2022 @BIGNEWYSorry to bother, is this functionality planned for future F-16 updates? You'd help many Viper nerds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 19, 2022 ED Team Share Posted August 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Comrade Doge said: @BIGNEWYSorry to bother, is this functionality planned for future F-16 updates? You'd help many Viper nerds Hi, to be determined, for now remains a wish list item. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Doge Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share Posted August 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, to be determined, for now remains a wish list item. thanks I see, thank you, here's to hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvroLanc Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 14 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, to be determined, for now remains a wish list item. thanks The exact same information is available in the Hornet code as you TUC a contact: Abbreviated Callsign, Aircraft Type and Speed. For hostiles, Aircraft type and Speed. Is there any reason why these can't be added to the F-16 as well? Without this 'Expanded Link 16 data' It makes the HSD display pretty useless, as you can never tell who anyone is..... It's a MASSIVE glaring omission to your Link 16 depiction. Hopefully this is more than just a wishlist item. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 This would be very good addition to Vipers datalink indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHOGX5 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Has there been any progress on this point? It still isn't possible to tell who's who on LINK 16 outside of your own team members in the DCS F-16C. Both the DCS A-10C and F/A-18C has had an equivalent feature for ages, I don't see why we can't have it in the DCS F-16C as well? 2 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 25 ED Team Share Posted April 25 4 hours ago, WHOGX5 said: Has there been any progress on this point? It still isn't possible to tell who's who on LINK 16 outside of your own team members in the DCS F-16C. Both the DCS A-10C and F/A-18C has had an equivalent feature for ages, I don't see why we can't have it in the DCS F-16C as well? As mentioned previously, expanded data fields on the HSD is still to be determined for future development, so no news to share at the moment. However, with regard to friendly datalink symbols and comparisons to the F-18 or A-10 functionality, the avionics version that is modelled within DCS: F-16C does not have the capability to see a TNDL STN of a friendly datalink contact by moving the HSD cursor over it. Thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHOGX5 Posted Monday at 11:34 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:34 AM On 4/25/2024 at 5:25 PM, BIGNEWY said: As mentioned previously, expanded data fields on the HSD is still to be determined for future development, so no news to share at the moment. However, with regard to friendly datalink symbols and comparisons to the F-18 or A-10 functionality, the avionics version that is modelled within DCS: F-16C does not have the capability to see a TNDL STN of a friendly datalink contact by moving the HSD cursor over it. Thank you I'm fully aware that you cannot see TNDL STN in the F-16C on the HSD page, but that is not the issue. The issue is that I cannot tell anything about a TNDL track except altitude and identity in the DCS F-16C. The two main issues for me is that I cannot see their callsign and I cannot see their aircraft type. This greatly diminishes situational awareness when flying in huge DCS missions with tonnes of different flights, and being unable to correlate radio calls when trying to build a picture based on the data provided by TNDL. The reason I brought up both the A-10C and the F/A-18C is because they both already have the ability to do this in DCS, so it is obviously not a DCS limitation, or a tech that ED does not have access to as these are both ED modules. I do not understand why ED has chosen for this not to be a feature in the DCS F-16C? The expanded data field is an essential feature of TNDL. The F-16CM-50 M4.2+ of the USAF and ANG circa 2007 had this capability, and it would display a lot more information in the expanded data field than what I've mentioned in this post, including stuff like loadout, fighter channel, etc. 3 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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