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Hello,

 

AI F-4Es seemingly refuse to use AIM-7s until they expend their AIM-9s, even if the target is not jamming and at high altitude. I've tried as many parameters as I could think of in the ME, including forcing engagement ranges, changing the aspect of the target, altitude of the target, etc. See the attached mission file for a small test scenario of Two F-4Es against an AI F-15. 

 

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On 6/21/2022 at 12:46 AM, Gkenny said:

 

AI F-4Es seemingly refuse to use AIM-7s until they expend their AIM-9s, even if the target is not jamming and at high altitude. I've tried as many parameters as I could think of in the ME, including forcing engagement ranges, changing the aspect of th

I got them to engage with Sparrows by selecting "Ignore AI decision to avoid attack" in the mission editor. However do not equip them with M model sparrows, they behave like fire-and-forget weapons at the moment.

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14 hours ago, Tomcatter87 said:

 

 

I got them to engage with Sparrows by selecting "Ignore AI decision to avoid attack" in the mission editor. However do not equip them with M model sparrows, they behave like fire-and-forget weapons at the moment.

I just tried what you suggested, but this does not seem to work - they still only seem to engage with AIM-9s. I've added it to each waypoint as well for the phantoms. Either way, this can't be intended behavior right? This has to be an AI bug.

 

Edit: Created a new blank mission and recreated a similar setup, adding the override AI decision to Ignore attack option and it seems to work. Thanks for the workaround.

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I've tried to get F4E's to engage with their sparrows before heaters and i am not able to! There is definitely something buggy with their logic. I've tried all the settings mentioned above as well. 

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Hi, to follow up here. 

You need to set the F-4 to use max range for AAM and be radar using. 

It is difficult for the F-4 to get a good radar lock in this example on the F-15 gut you should see the A-4 fire them in this example

 

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3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi, to follow up here. 

You need to set the F-4 to use max range for AAM and be radar using. 

Is there anyway to get the default settings changed for fighters so that they use "By Target Threat Estimate" again instead of "Random Between..."? This has caused nothing but trouble ever since it was made standard and I don't understand the reasoning at all. The Random setting might be reasonable if it were possible to set min and max, but since we can't it just leads to non sense behavior where fighters hold on to missiles until the last possible second.

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Hi BIGNEW thanks for the prompt response. I've just downloaded your mission and looked into it. You have limited the AI's loadout to only Sparrows which will make them fire Sparrows. If i download your mission and only adjust the loadouts by adding heaters and maintain the settings you mentioned above. They prioritize firing their AIM-9 and will not fire their AIM-7 at all. Clearly the AI's logic is flawed as in the same mission without AIM-9s as part of their loadout they can attain a radar lock on the F15. 

 

 

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On 7/26/2022 at 10:46 AM, BlueF16 said:

Hi BIGNEW thanks for the prompt response. I've just downloaded your mission and looked into it. You have limited the AI's loadout to only Sparrows which will make them fire Sparrows. If i download your mission and only adjust the loadouts by adding heaters and maintain the settings you mentioned above. They prioritize firing their AIM-9 and will not fire their AIM-7 at all. Clearly the AI's logic is flawed as in the same mission without AIM-9s as part of their loadout they can attain a radar lock on the F15. 

 

 

 


I can confirm that this bug is indeed not solved.
F-4E Phantom only use AIM-7 when AIM-9 is not mounted on the plane.

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