Upgarde from 3070 to 3090 resonable?

[Reusenfisch]

Dear Pilots!

 

I am running a G2 V2 with a 3070 and i7 11700 with 32GB, M2 NVME. Since there start of the 4090 I see a lot of used 3090 for sale on ebay etc. Would such an upgrade be reasonable regarding FPS boost? 4090 are out of reach for me with those insane pricetags..

 

Any thoughts on this? Anyone who did this kind of upgrade and be willing to share his experience?

Are there big differences between brands like ASUS vs MSI vs etc...? Any specfic brand and or model that I should look out for or avoid?

 

F3 Hostile

DIRTY

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I am not sure about the main question, but a lot of people seem to swear by EVGA. I would suggest you check it out

[schmiefel]

19 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

a lot of people seem to swear by EVGA

As EVGA put itself out of graphics card business I am not sure if this advise would last on a long term basis. Plus as I have learned EVGA didn't do a very good job last time concerning the cooling especially when they designed their 3090s cards, the more if a used card comes into play as especially the early production cards of this series seemed to have some serious issues with cooling of the VRAM.

[edmuss]

29 minutes ago, Blutpumpe said:

Dear Pilots!

 

I am running a G2 V2 with a 3070 and i7 11700 with 32GB, M2 NVME. Since there start of the 4090 I see a lot of used 3090 for sale on ebay etc. Would such an upgrade be reasonable regarding FPS boost? 4090 are out of reach for me with those insane pricetags..

 

Any thoughts on this? Anyone who did this kind of upgrade and be willing to share his experience?

Are there big differences between brands like ASUS vs MSI vs etc...? Any specfic brand and or model that I should look out for or avoid?

 

F3 Hostile

DIRTY

I went from a 3070fe that I ran with a significant overclock to a 3080ti and it's a good deal faster.

With the 3070 I couldn't run keep the framerates consistently above the 60Hz refresh rate without having to run really low resolution, this was without MSAA so the shimmering was pretty bad.  Essentially if I wanted decent resolution/settings I would need to use reprojection.  Frametimes would be running from 13ms to 20ms typically.

With the 3080ti I can enable MSAA (which is by far the best way to reduce shimmer), increase resolution and some settings and pretty much guarantee that I stay above refresh rate.  Frametimes now run from 9ms to 15ms but generally around 12-13ms.

From what I understand there is only around 5% difference between the 3080ti and the 3090.  I went with an Asus Tuf 3080ti.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

31 minutes ago, schmiefel said:

As EVGA put itself out of graphics card business I am not sure if this advise would last on a long term basis. Plus as I have learned EVGA didn't do a very good job last time concerning the cooling especially when they designed their 3090s cards, the more if a used card comes into play as especially the early production cards of this series seemed to have some serious issues with cooling of the VRAM.

I would check out the interview EVGA had with Gamer Nexus first, it is on YouTube btw, the reason they separate their way with NVIDIA before talking about the reasons behind. And I would also check out the benchmarks regarding which are the top cards for 3090 and 3090TI.

I am not a user of 30x0 except the laptop version so this is not my personal experience and I cannot provide any hard number.

I speak for myself. Thank you.

Edited October 18, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[schmiefel]

29 minutes ago, edmuss said:

From what I understand there is only around 5% difference between the 3080ti and the 3090

That's true when it comes to GPU perfomance. With VR in mind the double amount of VRAM the 3090s series has this may be still the better choice, plus the price difference between 3080ti, 3090 and even 3090ti has become very tight - at least here in Germany I have noticed that some 3090ti have dropped that much in price so they are no longer more expensive than a 3080ti or 3090. The only issue I see with the 3090ti (as with the 4090s, too) is that one should have a very good PSU (850W or better) and a case that could provide a very good air flow to get all the heat from the system out of the box.

6 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

I would check out the interview EVGA had with Gamer Nexus first, it is on YouTube btw, the reason they separate their way with NVIDIA before talking about the reasons behind.

I know this case very well, that's why I am a bit sceptic if its a good advice to buy graphics cards from EVGA any longer. I had preferred myself EVGA when I used to use NV grahics cards. But the last generation had some pretty bad design decisions especially for cooling the VRAM and EVGA even had to recall some models because of manufactoring issues. So if a used model comes into play this could bring more pain than fun...

Edited October 18, 2022 by schmiefel
typo fixed

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

6 minutes ago, schmiefel said:

I know this case very well, that's why I am a bit sceptic if its a good advice to buy graphics cards from EVGA any longer. I had preferred myself EVGA when I used to use NV grahics cards. But the last generation had some pretty bad design decisions especially for cooling the VRAM and EVGA even had to recall some models because of manufactoring issues. So if a used model comes into play this could bring more pain than fun.

I understand, please do not have any hard feelings. The thing is, it is rather hard to find new 3090 card here in the UK and I personally is very skeptic when getting a used card. I only heard and read good things about it, to be frank.

After watching some comparison videos in another thread, I am convinced that if budget is not a big issue, get the new 4090 instead.

[edmuss]

There's still a fair gap (£200-300) between the 80ti and the 90 here in the UK, the fact our economy is on it's knees probably isn't helping

In my experience DCS is typically using about 70-80% of the 12GB on the 80ti, obviously at times it goes up and at times it goes down.  The 24GB cards will give a good buffer overhead though and in the past have hidden issues (like the reprojection VRAM bug) simply by having a massive pot of memory to play with

[speed-of-heat]

1 hour ago, Blutpumpe said:

Dear Pilots!

 

I am running a G2 V2 with a 3070 and i7 11700 with 32GB, M2 NVME. Since there start of the 4090 I see a lot of used 3090 for sale on ebay etc. Would such an upgrade be reasonable regarding FPS boost? 4090 are out of reach for me with those insane pricetags..

 

Any thoughts on this? Anyone who did this kind of upgrade and be willing to share his experience?

Are there big differences between brands like ASUS vs MSI vs etc...? Any specfic brand and or model that I should look out for or avoid?

 

F3 Hostile

DIRTY

a lot will depend on your frametimes; but a 3090 would offer a considerable reduction in the GPU frame time, so a lot would depend on settings, i can easily hold 45FPS in most scenarios that are not CPU limited 

[zildac]

I've got an EVGA 3090ti FTW sitting in here in a box...4 months old

[Voyager]

8 hours ago, schmiefel said:

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I know this case very well, that's why I am a bit sceptic if its a good advice to buy graphics cards from EVGA any longer. I had preferred myself EVGA when I used to use NV grahics cards. But the last generation had some pretty bad design decisions especially for cooling the VRAM and EVGA even had to recall some models because of manufactoring issues. So if a used model comes into play this could bring more pain than fun...

 

From what I recall if that, all of the makers had problems. It's just EVGA accounted for over half of the 3090's sold, and were the only ones that had a good RMA process going. As I recall some of the other makers took a "too bad, so sad" approach to the problem. 

[Morat]

Wait for AMD, rasterisation is what counts in DCS so once you remove all the DLSS 3.0 hype you see it's a straight fight. You'll know a lot more on 3rd Nov and NDA should lift soon after that for 3rd party reviews.

OR buy a 4090 now and give it to me when the 7950XT launches and you upgrade