Avro Arrow Modeling

[SomethingAncient]

Okay, so this is the second time creating a post with pictures has deleted all the text that went with it. I actually have to edit it in... why?

Anyway, long story short: I'm doing this to learn 3D modeling, eventually try to make this into a Mod, and release the completed models for anyone else who also wants to try and turn it into a mod but maybe doesn't like the modeling aspect.

Any recommendations on a solid, free EDM viewer? I need one to reference how other aircraft are modeled. I am using Blender.

My current plan is to merge all four pieces (wing, fuselage, fuselage 'spine', tail) into one. Should I do that in a new save and keep the pieces separate or just split the model later on and create separate files after? Any and all advice is welcome, as I don't really know what I'm doing.

I'm only posting this again because I posted the original in the wrong part of the forum and I really don't know how to change it or delete it. So this is the second thread I've made with some of these pictures... if you're a mod/admin, please delete the other post in the main mods section. Sorry, and thanks.

Edited October 27, 2022 by SomethingAncient
Insert Text That Never Made it Into the Post.

[ollk22]

Nice!

[freebirddz]

4 hours ago, SomethingAncient said:

Okay, so this is the second time creating a post with pictures has deleted all the text that went with it. I actually have to edit it in... why?

Anyway, long story short: I'm doing this to learn 3D modeling, eventually try to make this into a Mod, and release the completed models for anyone else who also wants to try and turn it into a mod but maybe doesn't like the modeling aspect.

Any recommendations on a solid, free EDM viewer? I need one to reference how other aircraft are modeled. I am using Blender.

My current plan is to merge all four pieces (wing, fuselage, fuselage 'spine', tail) into one. Should I do that in a new save and keep the pieces separate or just split the model later on and create separate files after? Any and all advice is welcome, as I don't really know what I'm doing.

I'm only posting this again because I posted the original in the wrong part of the forum and I really don't know how to change it or delete it. So this is the second thread I've made with some of these pictures... if you're a mod/admin, please delete the other post in the main mods section. Sorry, and thanks.

 

 

hi,

To export : https://forum.dcs.world/topic/229164-edm-exporter-for-blender-28/page/11/#comment-5070927

to view you have already a EDM model viewer in DCS root folder, you can also download standalone version : http://files.eagle.ru/mods/

Maybe you mean this post ? https://forum.dcs.world/topic/309436-avro-arrow-model-could-use-some-help/#comment-5055892

best wishes.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by freebirddz

[SomethingAncient]

11 hours ago, freebirddz said:

 

hi,

To export : https://forum.dcs.world/topic/229164-edm-exporter-for-blender-28/page/11/#comment-5070927

to view you have already a EDM model viewer in DCS root folder, you can also download standalone version : http://files.eagle.ru/mods/

Maybe you mean this post ? https://forum.dcs.world/topic/309436-avro-arrow-model-could-use-some-help/#comment-5055892

best wishes.

 

 

Thank you so much! I didn't know DCS had one. Also, yes, it's that post.

[SomethingAncient]

I have a question that will alter the modeling I do: Should I try to model the original weapons bay and weapons, or invent the weapons bay upgrade it was going to receive almost immediately once production was slated before it was cancelled? The original had, iirc (I will do research again on this to confirm when I get there), 2 internal Canadian designed nuclear warhead missiles (because nuclear could make up for the poor targeting it had, not a strategic weapon of any kind; I'm not even sure I'd call it tactical). The replacement was going to be 3 Hughes AIM-4 Falcons because the missiles worked better, were guaranteed to be produced and supported over the life of the airframe, and were smaller.

I also just googled "American missile development" and got modern results by mistake so, if you happen to be the guy who puts people on lists: Hello and please have a nice day.

Anyway, I will do the research to make sure I get the right number and type of missiles for the Avro Arrow regardless of which one I model.

I'm asking because I consider both valid, but am not sure if I'd be crossing some historicity taboo by creating an Arrow with the armament it was going to get a few years later... and to be honest, I also think it would make some of the modding easier for myself or whomever downloads the models to try their own hand at it. I may model both, but in the event I create one and then get a life, which weapons bay would be the most desirable one as a potential player?

[Spino]

It was actually supposed to have eight AIM-4 Falcons or three AAM-N-3 Sparrow II (AIM-7B) missiles.  The AIM-4s could be either radar or IR guided, the Sparrow II was supposed to be an active radar missile.  If it had actually worked, the Sparrow II would probably have been the world's first FOX-3, but the technology of the time didn't allow for a radar small enough to fit in the nose of the AIM-7 (this was the late '50s, the AIM-47 Falcon and AIM-54 Phoenix that came a decade later were much larger missiles partly due to the need for a thick missile body to fit the active radar seeker).  It wouldn't be until the 1980s that active radar seekers got small enough to fit in an AIM-7 sized package.

Personally I would like to see the AIM-4 and AIM-7B as options for the Arrow.  Originally it was supposed to be armed with CARDE Velvet Glove missiles, but these were cancelled before they got very far, and had the Arrow seen service it would have ended up with the Falcons and maybe later AIM-7 variants (AIM-7C/D/E).  Here's what the Sparrow II (AIM-7B) looked like, as near as I can tell at least.