fixed Mission 8 is broken in 2.8

[Sandman1330]

So, since Mission 8 (and most others) kept crashing, I figured I'd wait until the 2.8 patch before trying to proceed with the campaign.

Well, 2.8 has broken Mission 8. Noone pushes from waypoint 1. All the flights call pushing, but they just keep orbiting waypoint 1.

 

I mean, I'm sorry and I know this will be an unpopular opinion but... the campaign has been unplayable since I bought it. Crashes, bugs, workarounds, broken triggers.... Most of it is on the ED side, but it doesn't change the fact that I've purchased an unplayable campaign. I haven't enjoyed a single mission yet that has gone flawlessly without some kind of bug or crash.

I'm seriously considering a support ticket for refund. I don't like it as I've enjoyed BD's work up to now (and I don't believe most of these issues are even his fault), but until folks start voting with wallets, we'll continue to waste money and time on buggy substandard software.

Am I being too harsh? I can't be the only one feeling this way...

[Gasgett]

I'm having the same issue. Before I had the issue where the game crashes after RED gets hit in mission 8 while you escort him out of the AO. Since then (couple months now), I haven't bothered continuing the campaign. Now after 2.8 I decided to try it again, and now having the exact same issue you are having with everyone staying in the rendezvous stack even after calling 'pushing'. Please @baltic_dragoncan you see if you can get it fixed asap? Do you know if the previous issue with mission 8 is still unresolved?

[baltic_dragon]

I will check.. as you can imagine it all worked when I sent the campaign for release, with all missions being tested many times over. I know this is frustrating for you guys, and it is even more for me - especially that most of these issuse are simply out of my hands…

 

@Sandman1330please PM me, I’ll send you something as an apology. But don’t start giving back campaigns, ED won’t change how things are because it is simply impossible to test everything. It will only hurt us, the 3rd party campaign devs, and trust me: this kind of things is way more frustrating for us than any players, as we deliver working products which get broken with every other upate..

One takeaway for me: I am not going to try and build as complex campaigns anymore, because it simply not sustainable in DCS environment…

 

@GasgettI cannot reproduce the CTD in M08 and not everyone experiences that, so I simply cannot fix it because it is firmly on core DCS side… again, it worked well when I submitted the campaign. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by baltic_dragon

[Sandman1330]

2 hours ago, baltic_dragon said:

please PM me, I’ll send you something as an apology. But don’t start giving back campaigns, ED won’t change how things are because it is simply impossible to test everything. It will only hurt us, the 3rd party campaign devs, and trust me: this kind of things is way more frustrating for us than any players, as we deliver working products which get broken with every other upate..

One takeaway for me: I am not going to try and build as complex campaigns anymore, because it simply not sustainable in DCS environment…

Thank you BD, but it’s not necessary. I may have overreacted a bit as I was very much looking forward to 2.8 fixing the DCS side issues so I could proceed with the campaign, only to be hit with this other bug. I won’t be asking for any refunds, and I genuinely do recognize these issues aren’t on your end

I did express my thoughts to ED regarding how the base engine is seriously beginning to impact the playability of complex missions, as bugs begin to stack one on top of another. Based on their response I’m not convinced my input was taken seriously, but short of purchasing no more modules for the time being, there isn’t much else to do! 

If you have the ear of the devs, if you haven’t already done so, perhaps identifying to them the difficulties you and your loyal followers are facing may help?

[baltic_dragon]

thanks dude. I’ll try and fly M8 in 2.8 tonight and see if I can fix the AI and if I can reproduce the CTD. If I am able to fix it, I will post the mission directly for download so that you can replace it in the campaign folder for the time being before it is included with next OB patch. Will keep you posted.

[Sandman1330]

1 hour ago, baltic_dragon said:

thanks dude. I’ll try and fly M8 in 2.8 tonight and see if I can fix the AI and if I can reproduce the CTD. If I am able to fix it, I will post the mission directly for download so that you can replace it in the campaign folder for the time being before it is included with next OB patch. Will keep you posted.

[baltic_dragon]

OK @Sandman1330, I did a quick troubleshoot (the problem with AI not pushing is a new DCS bug with triggers). 
If you want to give it a shot, please use this mission. For testing run it as standalone. Let me know!

Edited October 30, 2022 by baltic_dragon

[Sandman1330]

2 hours ago, baltic_dragon said:

OK @Sandman1330, I did a quick troubleshoot (the problem with AI not pushing is a new DCS bug with triggers). 
If you want to give it a shot, please use this mission. For testing run it as standalone. Let me know!

 

Thanks BD! I don't have time tonight to attempt the whole mission, but I flew it as far as push time, and all the AI flights pushed as fragged.

I'll fly the whole mission hopefully tomorrow.

And on a side note.... 

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[baltic_dragon]

5 hours ago, Sandman1330 said:

Thanks BD! I don't have time tonight to attempt the whole mission, but I flew it as far as push time, and all the AI flights pushed as fragged.

I'll fly the whole mission hopefully tomorrow.

And on a side note.... 

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Grand! LOL! Can I use this pic on my FB???

[Sandman1330]

6 hours ago, baltic_dragon said:

Grand! LOL! Can I use this pic on my FB???

Sure!

[Sandman1330]

@baltic_dragon: Good news and bad news to report this evening.

Good news: Your fixed mission 8 solves the push issue, I was able to complete the entire mission. Until...

Bad news: The AI F14 crash is still present. DCS froze on RTB 40NM from the boat. 

My log is attached, and I'll throw it into the main crash thread as well.dcs.log

Question / Suggestion: There is an old F14A AI model still available in game. The 3D model would have looked bad in the old US Navy Fighters game from the 1990s, but would switching all the AI F14s to that model present a possible temporary workaround? I know I'd take an ugly AI F14 over the crashes. Thoughts?

[baltic_dragon]

I was thinking about it but that would require hours upon hours of extra work because I’d have to reset a lot of things, test now they work, update attack and other triggers etc… this is time which I don’t really have. It is not a simple change of the module… so most likely it is out of question, I hope Heatblur and ED can find a fix for the Tomcat problem.

[Sandman1330]

10 hours ago, baltic_dragon said:

I was thinking about it but that would require hours upon hours of extra work because I’d have to reset a lot of things, test now they work, update attack and other triggers etc… this is time which I don’t really have. It is not a simple change of the module… so most likely it is out of question, I hope Heatblur and ED can find a fix for the Tomcat problem.

OK fair enough! There is some chatter that Heatblur may be making progress. Let’s hope….

[Hollywood 214]

Hi Baltic Dragon, your mission works for me. I saved the original mission and replace it by yours. I have just finished the mission without any CTD or bugs. By the way all the aircraft push at the right time but we were late on TOT (5 min late).

 

 

[Gasgett]

On 10/30/2022 at 7:00 PM, baltic_dragon said:

OK @Sandman1330, I did a quick troubleshoot (the problem with AI not pushing is a new DCS bug with triggers). 
If you want to give it a shot, please use this mission. For testing run it as standalone. Let me know!

 

Ok great news seems after the recent updates in 2.8 OB the issues have been fixed (crash as well as AI push issues). I did however run into a snag when performing CASE III - after switching to approach freq. I don't get any response from the tower. I get to land and mission success, but no landing grade. Might just be me though! I can not progress to Mission 9

[baltic_dragon]

Great news indeed, thanks for letting me know! Yeah, I saw a lot of CTDs were fixed recently.