FixerOhio Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Greetings all. First post! :) Picked up the highly anticipated BS and installed it a week ago. No problems running it 1920 X 1200 on my system with a CH Products setup. BUT I cannot get my TrackIR to function. Did a search and am running the latest Naturalpoint software version and did a games update. BS shows up in the profiles. And in the BS Axis options window, the TIR axis appears. But it won't function in the sim. I'm very confused. Have rebooted several times, etc. alt-c for a clickable cockpti works and does mouse movement within the cockpit but I would really like to use my TIR. Works great in my other sims like IL-2, FSX, Wings Over Europe as well as my driving sims. Out of ideas. Any help from you very knowledgable gents would be greatly appreciated! Not sure if it makes a difference but I'm running the sim in game mode right now to ease myself into the complexity of this wonderful product. Aren't helos sims great? :thumbup:
DTWD Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I had some issues with the mouse head movement inteffering with the Track IR head movement. There is a key stroke to disable this, but because I wanted it for moving the outside camera I went into the AXIS controls and adding a modifier to all the mouse axis. This meant by default the mouse would work just for clicking on the cockpits but when I wanted it too to move the camera in external views. It could be that your suffering from. Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Chillspider Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 try hitting either F5 F6 or F7 then back to F1 one of those unpauses it. I found mine paused sometimes. Also after doing the game update in the trackIR software restart the software to be safe and make sure its in the game list and your using the profile and all that good stuff right. Dell XPS 630i w/ Dell nForce 650i Sli ,Intel Q9650 @3.0 ,6.0 GB Ram @800Mhz, 2xGeforce 9800 GT 512 MB ,Saitek X52, Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals ,Dell 24" 1080P HD monitor, Klipsch THX Pro Media 2.1 ,TrackIR 4, Logitech MX518 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Shrubbo Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Ok got this from another thread I knew was somewhere and it may help. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=36406 With Vista, it could be a permissions level issue. Try runnig both applications as an admin (Shortcut -> Right click -> Run as admin) That was it. I was using Wombat's 4core exec and it won't run as admin, so I made the Launcer and DCS execs open as admin and that did the trick after it crashed the computer the first time I tried it. Thanks all is ok after the reboot. i9-9900K,Z390 Aorus Master, 32GB GSkill Trident F4-3600 DDR4, ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti, Oculus Rift S. Thrustmaster Warthog T&S, TPR Pedals.
FixerOhio Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 I had some issues with the mouse head movement inteffering with the Track IR head movement. There is a key stroke to disable this, but because I wanted it for moving the outside camera I went into the AXIS controls and adding a modifier to all the mouse axis. This meant by default the mouse would work just for clicking on the cockpits but when I wanted it too to move the camera in external views. It could be that your suffering from. I'll have to check into this one. Thanks everyone for the input. I forgot to mention that I'm running XP 32 bit so the Vista fixes won't help. Thinking about just reinstalling both programs to eliminate any issues I might have induced. I'm so stoked about flying BS but it's just not the same without my TrackIR. Thanks again for the ideas and I'll give them all a try if they apply. Other ideas are welcome:)
diveplane Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 tir pro 4 you have? am running via win xp 32 bit as well , all good for me here. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
FixerOhio Posted January 11, 2009 Author Posted January 11, 2009 Yup, TIR 4. Have the Pro Clip and the standard reflectors sewn onto a baseball cap. Tried both. Really confusing me. Reinstalled BS and TIR but get same problem. Sometimes now getting an "unhandled error" from TIR. Did some searching on Naturalpoint but didn't get a good answere there. My TIR is connected to a mainboad USB port; no hub. I have a MSI P6N Diamond mainboard and no other USB issues. This is really frustrating. Can fly IL-2 all day without an error and can even get it to work with BS. Again, thanks for the inputs.
JDski Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Make sure you see the Black Shark profile in TrackIR software and that you set the proper reflector type in the Black shark profile for Pro clip etc. Also does the TrackIR light up blue when you start the game? If so is the other indicator light red, yellow or green? If it's not glowing blue when you start the game, TrackIR is not seeing the game and it would seem theres a problem with the TrackIR Black shark profile or it's missing. If it is glowing blue and the other light is red, it sees the game but there's some other problem. If yellow, it's paused. If it's green, it's probably something with Black Shark.
Darkchylde Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Hi, This is also my first post to this forum :D. I have recently purchased BS and can't wait to get airborne. I also seem to have a problem getting my TrackIR 4 to function in the game. I have updated my TrackIR software, I have the BS profile, the blue light comes on when I launch the game (along with the green) but I just can't get it to function. Moving the mouse around the cockpit alters the view but no amount of button pressing, option changing or praying appears to give me head movement tracking. I am running XP Home so it isn't even a Vista issue :(. If anyone can shed some light I would be really grateful. PS - I also have no problems using my TrackIR in any other game :).
diveplane Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Hi, This is also my first post to this forum :D. I have recently purchased BS and can't wait to get airborne. I also seem to have a problem getting my TrackIR 4 to function in the game. I have updated my TrackIR software, I have the BS profile, the blue light comes on when I launch the game (along with the green) but I just can't get it to function. Moving the mouse around the cockpit alters the view but no amount of button pressing, option changing or praying appears to give me head movement tracking. I am running XP Home so it isn't even a Vista issue :(. If anyone can shed some light I would be really grateful. PS - I also have no problems using my TrackIR in any other game :). have to watch for bright sunlight in your room, this can disable the tir unit to operate not see the reflective pads on your cap. i think theres a setting to reduce sun glare , in tir options. also draw the curtains or blinds in your room during daylight operation. try another usb port, plug tir unit into it, sometimes windows can act the goat with usb devices. Edited January 11, 2009 by diveplane https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
miguez Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 It might also help to go into the TrackIR software, View | Tracking, and see if there are any other spots being detected by your IR camera. The only green areas should be the reflectors in your hat/headset reflector.
JDski Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) If you got it glowing blue and a green light, you might want to check your hotkeys in trackIR BS profile. Make sure they aren't conflicting with something in the game. See if you can use the default keys to pause (yellow light) while your in the game. If it's not giving you the yellow light, then BS must be over riding the TrackIR command. If that's the case, for testing purposes, you could try assigning it to a key that isn't being used for BS. I know that might be hard to find, but you can also use joystick buttons. You could make a backup profile in BS and clear out a key and then assign your trackIR key to that one and then test it. I'm assuming you can see your head move while looking at the BS profile in TrackIR software? You might also want to try to switch your BS profile to always on. Edited January 11, 2009 by JDski
bengo Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 ... and that you set the proper reflector type in the Black shark profile for Pro clip. That was my problem exactly a few weeks ago. Couldn't get any movement in the thing until I set the correct reflector-type to Pro-Clip in the flight-profile in TIR. i7 6700k/GTX1070-8G/MSI-Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon/32GB DDR4 Kingston HyperX PREDATOR DDR4 3000MHZ Vengeance 1600/TM Warthog #6106/Samsung SB350_S27B350H/OCZ Agility3 SSD 128GB / Win10-64/TIR5
Darkchylde Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 have to watch for bright sunlight in your room, this can disable the tir unit to operate not see the reflective pads on your cap. i think theres a setting to reduce sun glare , in tir options. also draw the curtains or blinds in your room during daylight operation. try another usb port, plug tir unit into it, sometimes windows can act the goat with usb devices. Thanks for the help. I have it working now... I just uninstalled the TIR software, uninstalled the game, reinstalled them both (TIR first, with updates), re-booted and still didn't work. Shut down system again, disconnected all USB devices and restarted. Shutdown again. Re-connected devices (include TIR), restarted the game and hey presto! What a chore :D. I doubt any of my steps made a difference. I just figure my system had fallen out with me :). Thanks again though. :thumbup:
diveplane Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 good to hear , glad you got it working. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
JDski Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Yea, great to hear. What about FixerOhio?? Did you get yours sorted out?
lucasdigital Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Spent some time tonight reinstalling my new TrackIR because it wasn't activating for Black Shark. While reinstalling I chanced upon the FAQ - "don't forget to update games"...ahhhh! All working great now, I love being able to just move closer to the Shkval screen to get a better view of targets, TrackIR is every bit as good as everyone said. :-) -- L u c a s d i g i t a l Mark Lucas http://www.lucas-digital.com
FixerOhio Posted January 13, 2009 Author Posted January 13, 2009 I'm very happy for the individuals who were able to get TIR working with BS. Unfortunately, I am not one of them. I'm pulling my hair out here. Uninstalled and reinstalled both TIR and BS again. Updated TIR as instructed. Tested TIR with numerous USB ports and disabled as many USB devices as feasible. TIR works fine in IL-2. Have narrowed where the problem occurs however. For example, I select instant action from the main GUI. My TIR is still running and light is blue. BS minimized briefly then reappears with a loading screen with progress bar. TIR is still showing blue light. Then BS jumps to another loading screen and with progress bar at about 50%, the blue light in my Tracker goes out! If I alt tab to TIR, I have an 'unhandled errr' message and a frozen TIR menu. It seems to kick out TIR as its doing it's final loading. And it doesn't matter if it's instant action or training or a full mission. Devs monitoring this forum? Any thoughts? Very confusing for me. No other game/sim does this. Is there some way to disable the how the program jumps from menu/screen to the next. Seems to have something to do with that. My XP install is less than 2 weeks old with everything fully updated. I'm running the latest CH controller for my Ch Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals. Surely I'm not the only sole having this issue. A little violin music please.................. :helpsmilie:
Chizzy101 Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Hi FixerOhio, it might be worth posting on the NaturalPoint forums, as their tech staff seem to be pretty good and might be able to help you out. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever" - Napoleon Bonaparte
FixerOhio Posted January 14, 2009 Author Posted January 14, 2009 Hi FixerOhio, it might be worth posting on the NaturalPoint forums, as their tech staff seem to be pretty good and might be able to help you out. Chizzy: Very good point and I did that straight away. Saw they had a few posts about similiar problems and, of course, things were resolved for others. But I'm still battling. This is what I posted there: Have had TIR for some time now. Works flawlessly with IL-2, rFactor, Wings Over Europe, Allied Force and others. Just installed Ka-50 Black Shark. TIR will not function with this sim. Program errors out during loading of instant action, training or full missions. Blue light extinguishes and it reports an "unhandled error". Occurs in the same place each time. Right about the 50% point in the final loading process, the blue light goes out and TIR function ceases. I've read all the threads here and on the DCS forum for Black Shark concerning this. Have the latest TIR software and the game profiles are updated. Black Shark profile is shown. I've made no changes to the profile. I've uninstalled and reinstalled TIR per the instructions Vincent has posted several times. Have uninstalled and reinstalled Black Shark several times to try to clear. No joy. I'm running XP 32 bit on a Nforce 680i SLI mainboard with an Intel E6850 CPU, 4 GB Corsair RAM and 2 8800 GTXx video cards. Using X-Fi extreme gamer sound. Have CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pedals running through the latest version of CH manager. Other USB devices running are my Saitek keyboard and Kensington trackball. Went to Device Manager and disabled power management of USB hubs by Windows. Tried different USB ports. Not using a separate powered USB hub although I did previously and things worked fine. Tried using the Pro Clip and reflectors. Same results. Am going slightly insane over this as everyone who has had a TIR issues with Black Shark has found a resolution. Anyone have any ideas here? All help is greatly appreciated!
NaturalPoint_Vince Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Any other software applications running in the background? Support@NaturalPoint.com TrackIR - Put your head in the game http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/index.html
PE_Tigar Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Nobody mentioned an obvious, though frequent omission - did you try and update the game support in TIR4 Pro software? I had to do it with mine to start working.
DTWD Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Nobody mentioned an obvious, though frequent omission - did you try and update the game support in TIR4 Pro software? I had to do it with mine to start working. He has said he has already done that. I think if you don't update it it just doesn't work in the game, he's getting a complete TIR software crash. Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PE_Tigar Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Ah yeah - skimming, my bad, I sincerely apologize. My TIR SW crashed once so far, but I'm a danger-lovin Win7 beta user, I kinda expect it with no official support. All out of ideas then. If it was me and my PC I'd be reinstalling the OS and the rest now, I'm pretty impatient when it comes to issues like this.
FixerOhio Posted January 18, 2009 Author Posted January 18, 2009 Thanks for the thought Tigar but my XP install is only 2 weeks old and it's updated up the wazoo. All hardware devices have latest drivers as well. Tried shutting down anything running in the background too. I had read the forum posts about updating TIR prior to posting here. Some good ideas thrown my way but none have helped to this point. May just have to learn to orient my view with the POV control on my Fighterstick instead.
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