RTX 4080 & 7900 XTX/XT benchmarks DCS

[Dangerzone]

Thanks.So effectively the 7900XTX presently is roughly on par with the 3080Ti a a best guess until some VR guys can test them out, (but with provision to improve as time goes on). 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Dangerzone

[Flаnker]

Offtopic: Question: will the video card (horizontal placement) rtx 4080 AORUS MASTER fit into the be quiet! SILENT BASE 802. Card width: 163mm, case width 245mm. I'm worried about whether there will be enough space, taking into account the adapter for 8Pin to 12VHPWR.

[ODBU_Mongoose]

For what its worth:

Been awaiting the 7900XTX for DCS VR with my G2 mainly. To replace my Asrock 6800XT. Sold my 6800XT too soon so was left without GPU. Wanted to pickup DCS again this Christmas so wanted to buy a GPU soon. Early VR tests of the 7900XTX made me pull the trigger for an Inno3D 4080 at 1399 euros. Still too much but more reasonable than the 2K+ 4090.  Didnt want to wait until AMD fixes the drivers. My 6800XT always was pretty stable at around 40-55 fps but wobbly timeframes. 

4080 experience is a lot better. FPS hovers between 45-60 fps but its way smoother, I think because if the low frametimes. Havent recorded the exact numbers but definetely feels a lot smoother, also on busy servers.

Rest of rig is 13600K, 64Gb 3200 16, MSI Z690

[evensis]

Moore's Law is Dead sources have stated that the 7900XTX has at least 10% rasterisation performance across the board in the pipeline with driver improvements. Unfortunately no mention of VR performance in his videos and source leaks but they do expect to eek further performance out of RDNA3 beyond that 10%, but will be a wait and see. The 7900XTX is not performing anywhere near its design goals at the moment, and needs a significant amount of further driver work of which AMD sources are 'confident' that they will fix the issues with the drivers. Ultimately if this comes to fruition, then the 4080 really will be exceptionally poor value for money at it's current MSRP (even more beyond its poor value at this point) - buyers remorse will be a big thing.

Although just to chuck this out there, going from a 5900X to 7900X boosted my frame-rate average quite nicely, 75fps on the 5900X over Caucasus to 92fps avg on the 7900X (in the pit with a 3080); so certainly another route to consider if you are looking to improve performance. Ultimately i'm a developer so the 24 threads is useful to me and shaves enough time off for me where single generational jumps are economically viable, but for others who don't use the cores, the 7700X or the 5800X3D would be a good choice. Intel have brute forced their way to the top of the leader boards this year by rinsing your utility bills more so than the war is already doing, so factor the electricity average (another 100 watts during high load over the lifetime of the product) into the cost of the product. AMD on the other hand, forcing DDR5, makes the platform a high cost to move to. So it's swings and roundabouts.

I would wait a quarter and revisit, the GPU market is a mess at the moment. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by evensis

[Mr_sukebe]

13 hours ago, Dangerzone said:

Thanks.So effectively the 7900XTX presently is roughly on par with the 3080Ti a a best guess until some VR guys can test them out, (but with provision to improve as time goes on). 

 

 The benchmarks I saw put it’ll the XTX somewhere between 0-30% faster for a variety of games on a monitor.

The question is whether you’ll make use of the performance advantages in VR, with Ray Tracing or DLSS that the Nvidia GPUs bring to the party.

 

 

[xoxen]

2 hours ago, Flаnker said:

Offtopic: Question: will the video card (horizontal placement) rtx 4080 AORUS MASTER fit into the be quiet! SILENT BASE 802. Card width: 163mm, case width 245mm. I'm worried about whether there will be enough space, taking into account the adapter for 8Pin to 12VHPWR.

I have a Silent Base 800 and the card fits good. But I had to remove the upper case for the HDDs. I had no issues with the cable (3x 8pin to 12VHPWR adapter). The Silent Base is quite a wide chassis.

[Flаnker]

4 минуты назад, xoxen сказал:

I have a Silent Base 800 and the card fits good. But I had to remove the upper case for the HDDs. I had no issues with the cable (3x 8pin to 12VHPWR adapter). The Silent Base is quite a wide chassis.

Thank you. Could you please take some pictures of your case (with the side panel open and closed) Thank you.

[xoxen]

12 minutes ago, Flаnker said:

Thank you. Could you please take some pictures of your case (with the side panel open and closed) Thank you.

Will do, when I´m back at home, so tonight.

[Flаnker]

3 минуты назад, xoxen сказал:

Will do, when I´m back at home, so tonight.

Thank you!

[shastasm]

Posted a video of my MSAA & SSAA testing for the 4080.  Please note that this is all 2D and not the VR environment.  

[xoxen]

2 hours ago, Flаnker said:

Thank you!

I have no window, so it doesn´t make sense to make a picture of the closed case. Instead I made a front view with open case. The cables are slightly touching the side wall.

Edited December 22, 2022 by xoxen

[xoxen]

55 minutes ago, shastasm said:

Posted a video of my MSAA & SSAA testing for the 4080.  Please note that this is all 2D and not the VR environment.  

Great Video, many thanks for sharing. Can you please upload the track file for me to compare?

[SnowTiger]

On 11/29/2022 at 4:18 PM, xoxen said:

Whoever is interested in a direct comparison between the 3080 and the 4080. At 5120x1440 the difference in FPS is 35-40%. This is the result out of 5 different Missions I benched.

Thanks for all the advises, but I knew better It has 100 W less power consumption and is quite cool when running. This together with my new Samsung Odyssey G9 really rocks. Please be gracious with any comments, I bought it and I exactly knew what I did.

 

Sorry ... I'm late to the discussion but interested in purchasing a new GPU along with Everything Else within the next couple weeks (max). I will be shopping on Newegg.ca
I just purchased the HP Reverb G2 headset and want to get the best bang for my $$.
I'm just trying to discern whether you are saying that the 3080 is better than the 4080 or visa versa ?
Thanks in Advance.
PS>  Does anyone use Water Cooled GPU's ?

Edited December 22, 2022 by SnowTiger

[Andrei]

14 minutes ago, SnowTiger said:

I'm just trying to discern whether you are saying that the 3080 is better than the 4080 or visa versa ?

4080 is definitely faster than 3080  

Whether it's better as in value for money it a completely different topic though.

I'm seeing 4080 back to stock in many places after last week's 7900 series 'fiasco'. Putting that in brackets, because it's not a bad card, just having some teething(?) problems and following Nvidia steps in bad value for money. And that new stock is appearing to come at more reasonable prices. My hope is that after Christmas holiday period is over, they will start discounting it even more so that I could grab one at more 'reasonable' 1200-1300 Euro. Still insane, but it beats current ~1500. Alternatively, AMD might pull their s~t together and make that driver brakethough giving back 10-15% performance. 

We'll see.

[shastasm]

Batumi Track.trkHere's the track file.  

1 hour ago, xoxen said:

Great Video, many thanks for sharing. Can you please upload the track file for me to compare?

Track file is below.  

 

[Th3ChosenOn3]

On 12/18/2022 at 11:45 PM, petsild said:

Hi,

can you please increase the AA value to 4x and add SSAA at least x1.5 to rerun the benchmark, thank you very much.

Thanks to @xoxen for providing his run.

[SnowTiger]

1 hour ago, Andrei said:

4080 is definitely faster than 3080  

Whether it's better as in value for money it a completely different topic though.

Thanks for the reply. I couldn't help but to think that the 4080 has to be faster regardless of price, I just wasn't sure what the other post was saying.
That said, the specific card I'm looking at is just over $3k Canadian and is Not Water Cooled. That amounts to half of the price I'm paying for top-end PC Parts to build my new machine (specifically for DCS which I have not even clicked on in over 3 years now).
MSI Gaming (MSI) GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 Video Card RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G

Looks like a great card and should work well with my HP Reverb G2 which I just received yesterday.

I plan on getting the AMD Ryzen 9 7900X - 12-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000589WOF)    WATER COOLED

and >

GIGABYTE B650E AORUS MASTER AM5 LGA 1718 AMD B650 ATX Motherboard DDR5, Quad M.2, PCIe 5.0, USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C, AMD WiFi 6E, Intel 2.5GbE LAN, Q-Flash Plus, EZ-Latch Plus

with 64 gb RAM

Among other things including a better refresh rate Monitor and a new Chair and some goodies for mounting my VKB Gunfighter MkII and Warthog Throttle.
I just have to make sure everything matches up to each other and confirm it'll perform as needed.

If any of you folks see anything in this list that makes you scratch your head or where you think I can do better (quality ... price isn't really an issue ... for the first time in my life), please speak up. I do prefer AMD over Intel although I have no idea if the Processor has the New architecture or not. I am currently using the Ryzen 7 - 7200 and have had Zero issues with it or anything else on my system but it is not good enough with a 1060 video card and it's all about 7 years old. Time for a new (and likely my last) smokin' flying machine. 

[Th3ChosenOn3]

Another Marianas Benchmark, this time with almost maxed out settings at 3440x1440, with only difference being MSAA 4x or SSAA 1.5x. Thanks again to @xoxen for his runs and videos.

 

This will probably be my last benchmark/video for a while, as I need to spend more time enjoying my new GPU instead of benchmarking and editing videos. I hope these videos/benchmarks provided you guys some valuable insight on how the new AMD cards perform in DCS.

[Andrei]

17 minutes ago, Th3ChosenOn3 said:

Another Marianas Benchmark, this time with almost maxed out settings at 3440x1440, with only difference being MSAA 4x or SSAA 1.5x. Thanks again to @xoxen for his runs and videos.

Thank you, and @xoxen for taking the time to do this. This is really appreciated. It's so damn difficult to get any good figures for DCS, let alone a side-by-side comparison of latest hardware. Your efforts will not be forgotten  

[xoxen]

4 hours ago, shastasm said:

Batumi Track.trkHere's the track file.  

Track file is below.  

 

There is a UH-60L Mod missing for me to run the track. Where did you download it?

[MK IX Hawk]

@SnowTigerThe x3d Ryzen 7000 CPUs are rumored to be announced at CES in Jan, should hear release date info then. 3D Vcache is very useful for flight sims and VR. See links below & screen capture. 

 

AMD Readies 16-core, 12-core, and 8-core Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Processors | TechPowerUp

 

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[shastasm]

20 minutes ago, xoxen said:

There is a UH-60L Mod missing for me to run the track. Where did you download it?

https://github.com/Kinkkujuustovoileipa/uh-60l/releases/tag/1.3

You can also find information on DCS World: H-60 project in Discord.  

 

[ssg]

Does anyone know if older radeons like 6900XT have horrible blur when looking sideways and moving head when limiting fps to for example 45 or 55 @90hz on VR? Maybe it is driver problem and could be fixed by AMD. 

I can get solid 45 or even 55 on most missions like Enigma on 7900XTX but due to microstuttering blur it is completely unplayable. 

Only setting I have found out that has no blur is when fps is same as refresh rate. Even if I get solid 90 and then limit it to 45 to avoid frame drops it starts to blur. So annoying. 45 fps would be just fine for me. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by ssg

[xoxen]

8 hours ago, shastasm said:

https://github.com/Kinkkujuustovoileipa/uh-60l/releases/tag/1.3

You can also find information on DCS World: H-60 project in Discord.  

 

Now it works, thanks. I only tested the 4x MSAA setting:

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by xoxen

[Johnny Dioxin]

On 12/21/2022 at 9:31 PM, SkateZilla said:

Make sure stick isnt in recovery mode.

Don't really understand that - but I do now know what has happened.

Please take note: If you buy a 4080 or 4090 card (you probably already did this, but for anyone who didn't...) you should definitely use a surge protected socket/extension for all of your kit.

I use surge protection for parts of my kit and not for others and the ones I didn't protect have all blown due to a surge when I tested SkyrimVR or DCS World. I have my doubts it was the former, as it's the only VR game I play that runs consistently at 120fps, but it might be.

It destroyed my powered USB 3 with all of my controllers and external HDDs plugged in, also a mains power tower and USB multi-port charger, which didn't have anything plugged in at the time - so didn't even have any draw on the mains, but still got internally fried. I wouldn't have known as it's a sealed unit, but thankfully Windows 10 told me my USB 3 hub had suffered a power surge - and then I realised why most other things weren't working, too.

Never mind - lesson learned and new surge protected extensions/multi-socket power points now used for all my stuff, as well as running a separate power line for my PC and monitor. I suppose it's basics, really, but over time as I got more and more things I just didn't take the necessary precautions due to never having had this happen over 37 years of home computing. The 4080 was the twig that broke the camel's back - though a hefty twig! 

Now I have to redo all my input profiles. I could just rename them in 10-15 minutes, but I reckon it's time to do them individually again.

Seeya in a bit...

 

***edit: The surge turned out to be caused by my Index controller when I plugged it into a USB hub to charge it. Wasn't even on the PC. Apparently, this is a well known fault, but so far haven't been able to fix it and it causes a surge every time I plug it in - regardless where. So - be careful out there!

 

update: Valve support say the surge is most likely due to a damaged USB-C socket on the controller. I can't see any damage, though, even with a powerful magnifying glass, but people on reddit have reported this problem due to damage on theirs.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Johnny Dioxin
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