Opus 1 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Is anyone having flight control issues with their joystick? My trim hat is unresponsive, and the plane wants to climb when trying to fly level. I'm using BETA 2.8. Case 1 landing are impossible as I can't get on speed with the trim hat not responding in game play. I went to set up and flight controls appear to be functioning with binds.
Tholozor Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) A track replay would help us see what's going on. Did you happen to take off with flaps set to AUTO? Edited March 10, 2023 by Tholozor REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Opus 1 Posted March 10, 2023 Author Posted March 10, 2023 No, I had flaps at half at take of and full on downwind leg for case 1. Take off is possible, it's flight and landing that is tuff.
rob10 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Takeoff with flaps in auto would have been my 1st thought. My 2nd is are you in "game flight mode"?
MAXsenna Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 Double check your bindings for conflicts, and I second the suggestion about "game mode", or at least check that you configure controls for the correct mode. Sim/game in the drop down.Cheers! Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
rob10 Posted March 10, 2023 Posted March 10, 2023 10 hours ago, MAXsenna said: ... or at least check that you configure controls for the correct mode. Sim/game in the drop down. Fortunately they removed the Sim/Game option in the controls bindings in the last Beta update or two. Should cut down on a lot of confusion going forward once it makes it to Release version as well.
Opus 1 Posted March 10, 2023 Author Posted March 10, 2023 Thanks for the tips. Ill try them when I get home on Monday. Thanks again!
Kriko Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 Same problems for me ! Tried it today, absolutely crappy In addition, I have severe power problems on different occasions, it changes from load to load. Like having bombs of 10 tons under each wing. I can't gain speed, can't take off, it feels like I had a 200 ton train I've done a lot of flights, so handlig is not an issue, but this is aaaaall new to me since the patch !
Opus 1 Posted March 15, 2023 Author Posted March 15, 2023 Uninstalled and reinstalled game. Same issue continues. Level flight is not atcheivable as there is a constant rise in alttitude probably 3 degrees when stick is centered. Trim hat not responding in game. however, in contol set up, it seems to be working as far as binding to the hat. not sure what to do now.
Tholozor Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/9/2023 at 8:01 PM, Tholozor said: A track replay would help us see what's going on. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
niru27 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, Opus 1 said: Level flight is not atcheivable as there is a constant rise in alttitude probably 3 degrees when stick is centered. Trim hat not responding in game. however, in contol set up, it seems to be working as far as binding to the hat. not sure what to do now. I've been facing the same even when I take off at Half Flaps with the correct TO trim set. The solution is the same as it was for the take off with Auto Flaps problem: slow down drop gear drop full flaps set TO trim gear up flaps up jet flies normally now The jet flies fine on AP, but impossible to control manually.
niru27 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 Here's a track file of both the problem + the work-around. F18_Pitch_Up.trk
Opus 1 Posted March 15, 2023 Author Posted March 15, 2023 I forgot to add that my APU is running then shuts down during the begining of any mission. wied stuff for sure. Im gonna try to make a video clip to show
xoxen Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 I had this yesterday evening and I´m quite sure that I did something wrong with the FCS. Additionally I had the Flaps on Auto while starting, bang, the machine had the tendency to pull up once in the air, exactly like you describe. So I guess it is more a mistake of the startup procedure than a binding problem. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus, 64GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600 CL16, Asus TUF Gaming RTX 4080 OC, Windows 11 64bit Home Premium, TrackIR 5 with TrackClip: Pro!, Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base + TM Warthog Stick + 7cm extension + WINWING Orion 2 with F-15EX grips, Cougar MFDs with 8" displays, Saitek Rudder Pedals, Samsung Odyssey G9 49" 5120x1440 @120 Hz
niru27 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 7 hours ago, xoxen said: I had this yesterday evening and I´m quite sure that I did something wrong with the FCS. Additionally I had the Flaps on Auto while starting, bang, the machine had the tendency to pull up once in the air, exactly like you describe. So I guess it is more a mistake of the startup procedure than a binding problem. Same problem with hotstart Launch mission where you're already setup and hooked to Cat 1
rob10 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 20 hours ago, Opus 1 said: Uninstalled and reinstalled game. Same issue continues. Level flight is not atcheivable as there is a constant rise in alttitude probably 3 degrees when stick is centered. Trim hat not responding in game. however, in contol set up, it seems to be working as far as binding to the hat. not sure what to do now. You do realize pitch trim will only work if you have flaps at 1/2 or auto right? In flight with no flaps you can only control roll trim. Anyone trying to help you is flying blind since you haven't provided a track and since this is a problem only you and maybe one or two others are having it's likely a problem on your end. Also if you indicate which solutions that have been suggested that you've tried would be helpful
Razor18 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, rob10 said: You do realize pitch trim will only work if you have flaps at 1/2 or auto right? Are you sure?...
rob10 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Razor18 said: Are you sure?... In the Hornet my understanding is that the FCS controls pitch in flight and you can only manually trim it with flaps. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident of that. In fact, try changing it sitting on the ground with flaps in AUTO and you'll see they won't move. 20 hours ago, niru27 said: Here's a track file of both the problem + the work-around. F18_Pitch_Up.trk 523.09 kB · 5 downloads Just tried your track taking over before takeoff and in flight and had no problem controlling it. It will continue to pitch up while accelerating but at a steady speed (other than slight roll from asymetric load) it holds level. Edited March 16, 2023 by rob10
Opus 1 Posted March 16, 2023 Author Posted March 16, 2023 Tried to view video. I most likely doing something wrong, but how can i view on my laptop?
rob10 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 The .trk file? You have to play that in DCS via the REPLAY option from the main menu.
niru27 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, rob10 said: Just tried your track taking over before takeoff and in flight and had no problem controlling it. It will continue to pitch up while accelerating but at a steady speed (other than slight roll from asymetric load) it holds level. Just watch the track without taking control. After launch I raise the gear & flaps and don't touch the stick AT ALL. Once both are up the violent pitch up starts. It is untcontrollable in pitch at this point. After dropping gear & flaps and resetting trim, it behaves normally. Would a screen capture work, with the controls indicator displayed? There is a HUGE difference before and after resetting.
rob10 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, niru27 said: Just watch the track without taking control. After launch I raise the gear & flaps and don't touch the stick AT ALL. Once both are up the violent pitch up starts. It is untcontrollable in pitch at this point. After dropping gear & flaps and resetting trim, it behaves normally. Would a screen capture work, with the controls indicator displayed? There is a HUGE difference before and after resetting. The problem is that if it works fine when I take control (after you were pitched up, but before you reset), that implies it's something on your end, not a DCS issue. Nothing obvious that I saw that you were doing that could cause it. Look at any mods you have installed and try doing a repair. Double check that GAME AVIONICS isn't checked as that's the other thing that can cause that symptomology.
niru27 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 11 hours ago, rob10 said: The problem is that if it works fine when I take control (after you were pitched up, but before you reset), that implies it's something on your end, not a DCS issue. It is an intermittent issue, doesn't happen all the time. And replaying the track seems to not show the issue, guess the recording is broken. 11 hours ago, rob10 said: Nothing obvious that I saw that you were doing that could cause it. Look at any mods you have installed and try doing a repair. Double check that GAME AVIONICS isn't checked as that's the other thing that can cause that symptomology. Game avionics is disabled, but I do have a few mods installed. Not sure if those are to blame since this happens intermittently, and dropping gear & flaps and resetting trim fixes it. Here's a video that better shows it. Watch for the pitching up when AP is off (no colons). Flies flat with AP on. No pitch up input seen by DCS either according to the Controls Indicator.
rob10 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) Turn your Auto Throttle Control off. You can see it's on in your HUD (ATC) and if you look at the throttle it's increasing which is causing your pitch up. When you cut throttle to idle that's automatically killing ATC which is why dropping wheels and flaps "appears" to be fixing your problem. Edited March 17, 2023 by rob10
niru27 Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, rob10 said: Turn your Auto Throttle Control off Please watch the video again. The pitching up was happening even before I turned on ATC. Pay attention to the VVI and whether AP is on or not. With ATC on, the throttle increasing is not causing pitch up. Pitching up is causing the throttle to increase as it needs more power to maintain the set speed. 21 hours ago, rob10 said: In the Hornet my understanding is that the FCS controls pitch in flight and you can only manually trim it with flaps. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident of that. With Flaps Auto the FCS auto trims for 1G. You can trim up/down as/if required/
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