ah-64 i want use it but...

[pii]

On 12/1/2023 at 12:19 AM, giullep said:

Boh not solve always the problem…i hope that ED will fix this issue! I don't fly any more..

 

Maybe it's you. Don't mean to be insulting its just that while I see the effect you are talking about I can always fly out of it unless I'm too low.

I'm also sure ED will fix it sooner or later. There is plenty to learn without having to switch seats so I'm not sure why you would stop altogether, but to each his own.

Edited December 17, 2023 by pii

[giullep]

2 ore fa, pii ha scritto:

Maybe it's you. Don't mean to be insulting its just that while I see the effect you are talking about I can always fly out of it unless I'm too low.

I'm also sure ED will fix it sooner or later. There is plenty to learn without having to switch seats so I'm not sure why you would stop altogether, but to each his own.

it could be me.. but I'm sorry because I would really like to use this helicopter... but after having done an entire mission, hitting the objectives, when I return as a pilot it becomes unmanageable and I crash.. very frustrating..

[pii]

2 hours ago, giullep said:

it could be me.. but I'm sorry because I would really like to use this helicopter... but after having done an entire mission, hitting the objectives, when I return as a pilot it becomes unmanageable and I crash.. very frustrating..

There is a reason it's called Open BETA, you know that, right? But like I said before there is a lot that you can do and learn while you wait for the fix.  Good luck

[BIGNEWY]

2 hours ago, giullep said:

it could be me.. but I'm sorry because I would really like to use this helicopter... but after having done an entire mission, hitting the objectives, when I return as a pilot it becomes unmanageable and I crash.. very frustrating..

which setting are you using for George hand over? and are you setting your controls to a similar configuration before switching? Post a short track replay example of a hand over you are doing so we can take a look 

thanks

[giullep]

1 ora fa, BIGNEWY ha scritto:

which setting are you using for George hand over? and are you setting your controls to a similar configuration before switching? Post a short track replay example of a hand over you are doing so we can take a look 

thanks

Ok how can have a track to send ? I will make it this week..thx!!

[BIGNEWY]

4 minutes ago, giullep said:

Ok how can have a track to send ? I will make it this week..thx!!

Do a simple test with just the AH-64D in a simple single player mission, when you exit the mission you can save the track replay during the debrief window. 

thanks

[giullep]

19 ore fa, BIGNEWY ha scritto:

Do a simple test with just the AH-64D in a simple single player mission, when you exit the mission you can save the track replay during the debrief window. 

thanks

hi, i tried 3 times (one after the other..3 time)_ track 1 and 2 (unflagged hand over,)the third (flagged):

track 1 and 2 when in cpg the apache oin hovering (set 0 speed) continue to move left and right...when i turned in pilot position i frush. track 3: after i return in the pilot seat, after a little time, if i move the collective it respond exaggerating the push even though I moved it very little...I took the three flights in a row and this is what happens...almost always

 

 

track3.trk track2.trk track1.trk

Edited December 18, 2023 by giullep

[ruiner_]

Not having watched the tracks, what is likely happening with your collective is when you jump back into the seat the controls will match what George had them set to. When you move your collective, it syncs back up with your collective and if your collective is far out of position from where George had it, it's going to cause a large adjustment.

Edited December 18, 2023 by ruiner_

[giullep]

20 minuti fa, ruiner_ ha scritto:

Not having watched the tracks, what is likely happening with your collective is when you jump back into the seat the controls will match what George had them set to. When you move your collective, it syncs back up with your collective and if your collective is far out of position from where George had it, it's going to cause a large adjustment.

 

And how do you solve this ?

[BIGNEWY]

12 minutes ago, giullep said:

And how do you solve this ?

Once you have been flying a while you get the feeling of what power setting and the position of your cyclic or collective in relation to George and his setup during the hand over. 

Another way is to bring up the controls indicator and try to match what is there before you hand over. 

 

[giullep]

But i dont think that is the thing..why i used a lot the apache…ita strange and not normal the response of the cyclic..almost for me: before to switch the seat is normal, after move to cpg and return to pilot seat..it seems exagerated and abnormal..a minimum movement (only a touch) and it move 30/40%..before was all ‘normal’..mah!

[BIGNEWY]

the problem you are seeing is that your physical devices do not move in sync with the simulation, so you have to configure them as best as possible for when the handover happens, if you do not expect for there to be some jerkiness while you settle the controls. 

[giullep]

unfortunately I don't understand why I can fly easily, and then when I change roles everything goes to waste... it's a shame because it's really frustrating not being able to complete a mission... the only way would be to use either just the pilot or just the CPG

[Floyd1212]

Before moving to the front seat, I settle the helo into a stable hover, trim, and set the ATT and ALT Hold.  Once everything is settled, then I swap to the front seat.  This means George doesn't have to move the controls much from where I left them to maintain the hover.  If you were flying forward and swap seats, then let George get you into the hover, when you swap back your controls are no where near where they need to be to maintain that hover.

I have "T" bound on my keyboard for FTR Up, in addition to the controls on my cyclic.  When I move to the back seat again, while still in a hover, I tap "1" to swap seats, immediately followed by "T" to trim, without ever touching my cyclic or collective.  This trims the controls in the sim to where George left them, and then my stick is in the center position like it would be after trimming and releasing.  I then quickly set ATT and ALT Hold again and I'm still in the stable hover i was in before.

I rarely have George fly me anywhere, so I can't speak for transitioning back and forth while in flight.

[giullep]

but why if I, as CPG, order George to hover... I fire the missiles and other things and then I go back to the pilot, as soon as I touch the controls I lose control? I was still and stable, then when I switched to pilot I also trimmed but nothing

[ruiner_]

I'm not sure how we can say this in a different way so you get what we're saying, but it's because your collective is not in a position to hover when you switch back to the pilot seat. George has moved it on you.

So when you touch yours it is set way too low for a hover and you lose control. As soon as you move any control it will resync with your hotas away from what George had set. 

Edited December 19, 2023 by ruiner_

[admiki]

12 hours ago, giullep said:

but why if I, as CPG, order George to hover... I fire the missiles and other things and then I go back to the pilot, as soon as I touch the controls I lose control? I was still and stable, then when I switched to pilot I also trimmed but nothing

Do not switch to front seat while in forward flight and then tell George to go to hover.

You get yourself in hover BEFORE you switch to front seat.

[giullep]

I will try to hover in pilot seat and then  go to the cpg (hand over active), set george hovering, next fire some missiles, and then return to pilot, correct?

Edited December 19, 2023 by giullep

[giullep]

10 ore fa, admiki ha scritto:

Do not switch to front seat while in forward flight and then tell George to go to hover.

You get yourself in hover BEFORE you switch to front seat.

i be in hover before switch to front seat, then hover in cpg and when i returned in pilot seat and touch the pedals...go down........

track3.trk

Edited December 19, 2023 by giullep

[BIGNEWY]

14 minutes ago, giullep said:

i be in hover before switch to front seat, then hover in cpg and when i returned in pilot seat and touch the pedals...go down........

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before you gain control again set your physical pedals somewhere close to where George has them. 

Use Right Ctrl + Enter for the controls indicator to see the position. 

If you are setting your pedals close you should be ok.

But in the track when you touch them you are essentially doing a large movement, then enter VRS and it ends badly.

Also check your axis, ensure you have no double inputs. 

[giullep]

16 minuti fa, BIGNEWY ha scritto:

before you gain control again set your physical pedals somewhere close to where George has them. 

Use Right Ctrl + Enter for the controls indicator to see the position. 

If you are setting your pedals close you should be ok.

But in the track when you touch them you are essentially doing a large movement, then enter VRS and it ends badly.

Also check your axis, ensure you have no double inputs. 

I dont move largely my pedals…i only touch they…i will check anyway next time. Thx

[giullep]

i tried but honestly FOR ME is unplayable..every time i switch from cpg to pilot i have problem...boring and frustrating...and for this, i dont like make this, but i will use another module

[TheGhostOfDefi]

1 hour ago, giullep said:

i tried but honestly FOR ME is unplayable..every time i switch from cpg to pilot i have problem...boring and frustrating...and for this, i dont like make this, but i will use another module

Is there a collective that in that moment maybe induces said problem? Like an axis that shouldnt be bound?

[giullep]

51 minuti fa, TheGhostOfDefi ha scritto:

Is there a collective that in that moment maybe induces said problem? Like an axis that shouldnt be bound?

No.. i have  configured it correctly, and in pilot seat it is good

[admiki]

Well, you are doing something wrong. There is bunch of us that are able to switch back and forth with little to no issues.

You moving to another module is certainly your prerogative.