jackd Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) Windows 10 LTSC, US language. GameDias gaming keyboard, no problems with other sims. --------------- Setting up for Spitfire TRIALnow testing ... Rudder, and elevator trimming; i can't get it to work so far; tried the default settings, and some of my own, but it does not see to react as f.i in Cliffs of Dover where it's also needed. ADDED just tried it again, seems the modifier R-cntrl or R-Shift do not work; just tested inputting it again (for elevator and rudder). They react in the control settings sub window when pressed and get registered it seems.. Maybe my PC's Keyboard is not recognized for modifiers while the game is running in F4 Chase , but also not in cockpit F1 view ... PS default setting for notch trimming also does not work. Can it be that it has to do with a windows setting for keyboard layout? thnx for looking. Edited May 10, 2023 by jackd
Art-J Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 Do they work if you temporarily assign them to something without modifiers? Just up/down/left/right for example (that's how I've got them set up on my PC)? And by "can't get it to work" do you mean there's no movement of trim wheels and tabs at all, or there's movement but no aerodynamic reaction in flight? i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
jackd Posted April 24, 2023 Author Posted April 24, 2023 Nope, just tried free keys B and N, no movement in flight. In F1 cockpit view only the UP/DOWN wheel moves slowly, and seem to work. The dash up down meter also moves. However the rudder trim function does NOT seem to work as the notch settings. Nothing happens, but that's maybe since i saw auto rudder set on somewhere ...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 Yesterday I tested N2 map and flew Spitfire in a quick mission. Trim worked as intended, but I have them set to my HOTAS. Do they work by mouse clicking/mouse wheel? If they do something might be going on with regards to your bindings. Are you sure they aren't doubled somewhere? Maybe other devices you have connected? "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
jackd Posted April 25, 2023 Author Posted April 25, 2023 With HOTAS do you mean axis (analog controller like a joystick)? I tried assigning them to my throttle, button function. NoGo ..
Ala13_ManOWar Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 Negative, stick hat and it worked perfectly as intended. That's alike any other button, let's say. "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
jackd Posted April 25, 2023 Author Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) I take it that you trimmed in cockpit view; at least as i said it works for elevator with the keyboard L contrl + UP or Down as i set it up. No trim for rudder alas. But i have autorudder on, maybe that's the cause .. Edited April 25, 2023 by jackd
Ala13_ManOWar Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 That might well be the case, turn auto rudder off and check. If you plan to learn the plane either auto rudder and take off assistance should be off, not just it's "helping", in my experience whenever I forgot or a patch put those on again they are only messing with your controls, to me it's no help at all, specially while taxiing. 1 "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
jackd Posted April 25, 2023 Author Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) When it's on i don't have that flappering rudder panel at gameview F4. The same with the P47D. So i must leave it on LoL. Edited April 25, 2023 by jackd
Ala13_ManOWar Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) Do you realize that "flappering movement", if aids are off, only responds to your control inputs, right? If you don't like to see that (are you flying in external view by the way?) just don't move your controls so much . If they move on their own your controls might be a little messy mate. Check those potentiometers. Edited April 25, 2023 by Ala13_ManOWar 1 "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
jackd Posted April 26, 2023 Author Posted April 26, 2023 Must try that, maybe a little curve for the axis controls helps there ... BTW thanks for all your help. Just decided to buy a few WW2 planes now on sale, also because of guys like you etc. 1
jackd Posted May 6, 2023 Author Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) well, cannot get rudder and elevator trim to work still, really beats me. With the CE2 the rudder seems not working properly at all, very jumpy and even pushed left or right it jumps back to neutral immediately. In Controls/special simplify rudder on or off makes no difference. Just installed a Saitek Pedal system, same behavior. (posted in bugs too) Edited May 6, 2023 by jackd
Art-J Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 8 hours ago, jackd said: With the CE2 the rudder seems not working properly at all, very jumpy and even pushed left or right it jumps back to neutral immediately. In Controls/special simplify rudder on or off makes no difference. Just installed a Saitek Pedal system, same behavior. (posted in bugs too) ^ That does sorta sound like duplicated assignment, which can happen after plugging in a new USB controller. Once again, choose the "search" from controls drop down menu of the Spit (and CEII I suppose? I on't own that one), type "rudder" and delete anything that's not your rudder pedals. Then select axis assignments and double check that no device apart from pedals does anything for the rudder. It could aslo mean worn-out pots on these pedals. Since Saitek doesn't exist as independent manufacturer anymore I gather you've manage dot get hold of used ones? i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
jackd Posted May 7, 2023 Author Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) Thnx, CE2 in flight control Trim HAT- NOSE DOWN, and NOSE UP set to to RCntrl - L UP and RCntrl+ DOWN, the only ones. i found For the spit the only ones, and in cockpit view the two trim wheels at the left move OK, but the spit does nor react it weems: ------------------- Saitek and worn pots could be, i got it given and and is probably is about 15 years old .. Edited May 7, 2023 by jackd
jackd Posted May 9, 2023 Author Posted May 9, 2023 PS Saitek pedals work OK, tested game controllers app in windows. Definitely with all planes the Trim functions via keyboard in pu don't work it seems. but when addressed via my joystick's hat button they do. It seems the Spitfire does not have an aileron trimmer?
Art-J Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 It doesn't, neither do German fighters. I don't remember if it's been covered in one of these numerous threads you've started, but do you have game flight mode on by mistake? i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
jackd Posted May 9, 2023 Author Posted May 9, 2023 Never heard of it .. it was on, now off, feels like i now have to tune all my axis curvatures .... now get the feeling i'm drunk.
Art-J Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) I'm asking because if it's on, no trims in any DCS plane will work. They'll be animated, by they won't affect the airplane's flight physics. If you've got it off now, you can assign trims to anything you want - they'll work OK. Edited May 9, 2023 by Art-J 1 i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
Solution jackd Posted May 10, 2023 Author Solution Posted May 10, 2023 16 hours ago, Art-J said: I'm asking because if it's on, no trims in any DCS plane will work. They'll be animated, by they won't affect the airplane's flight physics. If you've got it off now, you can assign trims to anything you want - they'll work OK. You are right, the axis needs tuning now, and i appear less drunk ... just tuned the Spitfire a wee bit .... Thanks for the tip.
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