Evasive maneuvers - howto?

[EtherealN]

I've been having some issues with evasive maneuvers which I think are based on me uncousciously employing the kind of evasion you'd normally do in a fast-jet. (You know, maneuvers to make the incoming missile bleed energy in maneuver and have difficulty tracking due to it's high speed etc.)

 

This does work sometimes, and just tonight I did have the exhilarating experience of having a missile airburst somewhat below me causing some structural damage and killing my main hydraulics, whereafter I wrsetled the aircraft around on stby to attempt finishing the mission and after completion flew it back home and landed on the belly.

 

BUT

 

What are the actual proper evasion techniques for the Ka50 beyond spamming flares?

[RichardG]

There arent any. A helo is a slow moving turd. Even when your moving fast, your a slow turd.

 

(find something to hide behind)

[Cornbread]

I've found that vertical maneuvers are fairly effective. Try decreasing collective and a hard left turn (more natural with hotas setup, especially if you're using twist stick instead of pedals).

[EtherealN]

Real helpful RichardG... :music_whistling:

The point is, sometimes you don't know where the attack is coming from and you don't have time to scan the entire horizon (unless you pause and F2, but that's cheating), so "hiding" is usually a bit hit-and-miss when you may indeed just be helping your foe.

 

Cornbread, yeah, sounds a bit like what I have been trying - at least in those occassions where I have some altitude to burn.

 

Another question I've been pondering is the whole thing with patterns for the flares - is it usually better to deploy to both sides or just to one side? The only real disadvantage I could think of for a double deployment would be that the helo gets placed in the "middle" of the total heat pattern. Does that matter in any kind of practical way?

[sobek]

Another question I've been pondering is the whole thing with patterns for the flares - is it usually better to deploy to both sides or just to one side? The only real disadvantage I could think of for a double deployment would be that the helo gets placed in the "middle" of the total heat pattern. Does that matter in any kind of practical way?

 

In a high risk situation IMHO you always want to fire flares from both launchers. The option to fire only to one side is for preemptive flaring when you know the location of a threat.

[ruprecht]

I have never ever died because I ran out of flares. Until I have, I will fire them from both sides.

[ericinexile]

I think any sense of out-manuevering an inbound is something of an illusion, unless the missile was low E due to being fired at extreme distance. Try to imagine a missile's manuever cone with a helo in the middle of that cone. There is little that a 270kph brick can do to vacate that cone. Beam, flares, terrain (and my poor decoy wingy) are the only things I've found which buy me a chance of survival.

 

Smokin' Hole

[brewber19]

Sarcy, even with the smilie, but RichardG is exactly right.

 

Compared to a SAM any helo is not much more than a stationary target - there are no 'evasive maneouvres' that consistently and reliably work every time - dispensing flares preemptively helps alot...and dumping them like hell when you spot a launch can spoof missiles a little...but not every time.

 

In an aircraft, even something as slow as a Frogfoot, you can still manage 700kph in a descending turn, whereas a helo can only manage 300kph (not withstanding some n00btube videos of 500kph dives etc), and you have that much more energy to then use in a climb, further bleeding a missiles speed - you don't get that in a helo.

 

In essence...hide behind things, or be high enough (3000m+) so IR sams can't reach you...and dispense flares when you think you're in bandit country.

 

 

 

Real helpful RichardG... :music_whistling:

[AlphaInfinity]

My only suggestion is to:

 

1. BLEED altitude

2. GAIN Speed

3. DUMP Flares

4. HIDE behind the nearest mountain, ridge, building

[Xjikz]

My only suggestion is to:

 

1. BLEED altitude

2. GAIN Speed

3. DUMP Flares

4. HIDE behind the nearest mountain, ridge, building

 

5. And pray God to save your :censored:

 

:megalol:

[Tenebrae]

Well done on completing the mission with your hydraulics out, however, there is an emergency gear release which would have saved you landing on your belly. Think of the workload of your poor ground crew :)

 

 

I've been having some issues with evasive maneuvers which I think are based on me uncousciously employing the kind of evasion you'd normally do in a fast-jet. (You know, maneuvers to make the incoming missile bleed energy in maneuver and have difficulty tracking due to it's high speed etc.)

 

This does work sometimes, and just tonight I did have the exhilarating experience of having a missile airburst somewhat below me causing some structural damage and killing my main hydraulics, whereafter I wrsetled the aircraft around on stby to attempt finishing the mission and after completion flew it back home and landed on the belly.

 

BUT

 

What are the actual proper evasion techniques for the Ka50 beyond spamming flares?

[beers]

several of my successful evasions have been where I am hovering at a good distance, I pull collective and gain altitude, and hit some flares (in that order since it takes a moment to start getting upward movement). I figured the flares are going down, I want to be away from them so I should go up. First time I was being lazy, didn't really think it would work, but I've gotten away with it consistently. No need to run and freak out... military equipment works well when used in a laid-back, relaxed fashion? i don't know...

[bumfire]

Now to throw the cat in amongst the pigeons, how to do all the above when its radar guided missiles :D

 

Let the flames commence :p

 

jk ;)

[EtherealN]

Yeah Tenebrae, I did see some emergency stuff but didn't seem to get it to work. My theory was that it would basically be an auxiliary hydraulics pressure to then operate with the normal lever but this appeared to be erroneous. :P One of the things that reminded me that I do need to get some proper education on various emergency proceedures with this bird.

 

Oh, and trying to keep the thing in a stable hover with the main hydraulics out was a PITA. Some forward momentum would allow a measure of aerodynamic stability to be gained but that thing was jittery like crazy when immobile. Even the cannon recoil seemed able to seriously upset things then! :D

[EtherealN]

We don't need no Radar warning - I have a Rant Warning Receiver! :D And it sure is tingling now. :P

 

Now to throw the cat in amongst the pigeons, how to do all the above when its radar guided missiles :D

 

Let the flames commence :p

 

jk ;)