Dave 'Bio' Baranek footage, 1997:

[JupiterJoe]

This amazing footage, released 13 hours ago as of this posting, shows a MFD display I'm curious about. It's referred to as a PTID.  Is this an early version of a MFD?  Is BIO in an A+?  How come Heatblur's B model doesn't have this display?

...Just found this extract from the manual:  "Both the F-14A and F-14B received continuous upgrades during their life, including new programmable cockpit displays (PTID and PMDIG) as well as a new INS system, a digital flight control system (DFCS) and an RWR system amongst others.".

Anyway, it would be amazing to have such a display for the F-14, but appreciate it would be an incredible amount of work.  I'd be happy to pay for such an upgrade.  Just sayin' 

 

Edited July 15, 2023 by JupiterJoe

[Naquaii]

17 minutes ago, JupiterJoe said:

This amazing footage, released 13 hours ago as of this posting, shows a MFD display I'm curious about. It's referred to as a PTID.  Is this an early version of a MFD?  Is BIO in an A+?  How come Heatblur's B model doesn't have this display?

 

 

 

It's similar to an MFD but much larger. The PTID was a drop in replacement for the old TID and then received new functionality over time as the screen was capable of more than the old TID. In general the aircraft using the LANTIRN had the PTID as it was easier to see the video from the LANTIRN on it.

It's not an F-14B (A+), it's an F-14A. The PTID could be swapped in for the TID in any F-14 as the TID became older and no spares were available but both existed at the same time. There were even F-14D with the old TID.

The HB F-14 has the old TID as we model earlier versions of the F-14. Technically the PTID was around at the same time as the F-14B we model but it made more sense to model the old TID as that fits the earlier F-14 as well. Added to that there's not much data available on what the menu system looked like on the PTID and in any case having a TID is as correct as having a PTID for the late versions we model anyway.

[Spurts]

That lack of data on PTID function is the BIG one.  it is what it is.  I love the Tomcat we got even as I dream for the Tomcat still sealed behind ITAR.

[CarbonFox]

The PTID didn't add any new functions to the F-14A/B? Just changed how the RIO could interact with the AWG-9 and Lantirn pod I'm assuming.

[Naquaii]

1 hour ago, CarbonFox said:

The PTID didn't add any new functions to the F-14A/B? Just changed how the RIO could interact with the AWG-9 and Lantirn pod I'm assuming.

Like I mentioned above it was at first just a drop in replacement but over time it received new functionality when coupled with other upgrades.

[Spurts]

I understand WHY we have the TID, and I am not arguing to change it, but I do somewhat lament that instead of having "The best image of any Pod" we have the worst.

[CarbonFox]

4 hours ago, Spurts said:

I understand WHY we have the TID, and I am not arguing to change it, but I do somewhat lament that instead of having "The best image of any Pod" we have the worst.

Unfortunately, until the DoD unclassifies the details on the PTID, we're going to probably remain in a holding pattern as far as ever seeing it implemented.

[Dannyvandelft]

Wasn't the PTID necessary for JDAM delivery?

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[Naquaii]

1 minute ago, Dannyvandelft said:

Wasn't the PTID necessary for JDAM delivery?

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Afaik it was one of the required upgrades for JDAMS in the F-14B yeah.

[Dannyvandelft]

Afaik it was one of the required upgrades for JDAMS in the F-14B yeah.

Hope we'll get them, plus the Sparrowhawk HUD one day.

And of course the "model that shall not be named"

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[Naquaii]

3 minutes ago, Dannyvandelft said:

Hope we'll get them, plus the Sparrowhawk HUD one day.

And of course the "model that shall not be named"

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You'd kinda need the whole B+ update for JDAMS, not just those two. You'd need the new mission computer and new navigation system as well.

[Dannyvandelft]

You'd kinda need the whole B+ update for JDAMS, not just those two. You'd need the new mission computer and new navigation system as well.

I'll take it! Cash or credit?

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[JupiterJoe]

1 hour ago, Naquaii said:

You'd kinda need the whole B+ update for JDAMS, not just those two. You'd need the new mission computer and new navigation system as well.

Does anybody have any idea on how long that sort of stuff remains classified?  There are more advanced systems already being simulated in the Hornet and F-15E, are there not?  

Edited July 18, 2023 by JupiterJoe

[Naquaii]

5 minutes ago, JupiterJoe said:

Does anybody have any idea on how long that sort of stuff remains classified?  There are more advanced systems already being simulated in the Hornet and F-15E, are there not?  

 

No idea tbh, I'm not the right person to ask something like that.

The main issue here is that we don't even know what many of the menus in the PTID even look like. That can sound trivial but without that we'd have to just straight up guess and that's not really a good basis for a sim module.

[Dragon1-1]

1 hour ago, JupiterJoe said:

Does anybody have any idea on how long that sort of stuff remains classified?  There are more advanced systems already being simulated in the Hornet and F-15E, are there not?  

As long as there are any Cats flying in Iran, unless there's another revolution and they flip to pro-Western again. Sadly, the CIA doesn't seem to be interested in overthrowing the regime this time, so I'm afraid that it'll remain classified for the foreseeable future.