Manual NWS for FC3

[daemon1808]

Hi ED,

I know that FC3 has not support, but this one should be very easy:

Could you change the automatic "nose wheel steering" that exist for FC3 aircrafts for a key binding on/off.

Now is a headache when you are landing while using pedals to stay centered in the runway, and suddenly the NWS activates and multiply your pedal input x10.

Thanks in advance

[draconus]

15 hours ago, daemon1808 said:

I know that FC3 has not support

This is not true.

If you think there is a problem with NWS in some module, please save the short track and report it in an appropriate subforum, thx. Depending on the aircraft NWS works differently.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/102-dcs-flaming-cliffs-3/

[daemon1808]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

This is not true.

If you think there is a problem with NWS in some module, please save the short track and report it in an appropriate subforum, thx. Depending on the aircraft NWS works differently.

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/102-dcs-flaming-cliffs-3/

Hi Draconus,

Sorry, I meant that there are not many changes or new functionalities for FC3 aircrafts, not that bugs are not fixed. My bad.

In the other hand, this is not a bug, but a request. I have posted it in "DCS: Wish List", because FC3 secction has not a "Wish List" section (or at least I haven't found it)

The point is that for FC3 aircrafts the "NWS" (or a similar function) is activated/deactivated depending on the speed on the ground. What I request is a keybinding to activate/deactivate it instead of been automatically triggered depending on the speed.

ie: let's say that you are landing and you use left pedal to stay centered on the runway (because cross wind or whatever). At some point, when the speed is low, the NWS jumps into action and suddenly your pedal input is multiplied. If the user is able to activate/deactivate that functionallity on demand, this can be avoided.

 

[draconus]

19 minutes ago, daemon1808 said:

The point is that for FC3 aircrafts the "NWS" (or a similar function) is activated/deactivated depending on the speed on the ground.

Never heard of it and it should not depend on speed. That would be a bug or it's wrong assumption on your side.

There's no such thing in F-15C and you shouldn't turn off NWS anyway.

In Su-27/33 you can already control when you disable NWS.

In MiG-29 the NWS gain depends on flaps setting.

See where I'm going with this? Be specific on the module and show a track. Otherwise you wish for some unrealistic feature/behavior.

Edited September 5, 2023 by draconus

[daemon1808]

4 hours ago, draconus said:

Never heard of it and it should not depend on speed. That would be a bug or it's wrong assumption on your side.

There's no such thing in F-15C and you shouldn't turn off NWS anyway.

In Su-27/33 you can already control when you disable NWS.

In MiG-29 the NWS gain depends on flaps setting.

See where I'm going with this? Be specific on the module and show a track. Otherwise you wish for some unrealistic feature/behavior.

 

4 hours ago, draconus said:

Never heard of it and it should not depend on speed. That would be a bug or it's wrong assumption on your side.

There's no such thing in F-15C and you shouldn't turn off NWS anyway.

In Su-27/33 you can already control when you disable NWS.

In MiG-29 the NWS gain depends on flaps setting.

See where I'm going with this? Be specific on the module and show a track. Otherwise you wish for some unrealistic feature/behavior.

 

 

Here it is, track and demonstration video with A-10a. Happens the same for the F-15c (at least)

As you can see:

 - At "high" ground speed tail has full authority and nose wheel is always pointing forward.

 - At "medium" speed, tail has low authority and you have to maximize pedal inputs to get a moderate turn ratio.

- At "slow" speed, the NWS (or whatever) automatically activates, and takes the already existing pedal input.

I always have understood that this behaviour is one of the "simplifications" for FC3 (not a realistic or unrealistic behaviour):

- low speed --> NWS automatically ON for taxi 

- High speed --> NWS automatically OFF to avoid drifting during takeoff/landing

But maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I am requesting to activate deactivate NWS on demand... like Av-8b, F-14B, F-18c, etc....

 

 

 

nws.trk

[Ironhand]

The A2A birds (F-15C, Su-27, Su-33, and Mig-29A/C/G) all have dedicated commands to enable/disable NWS. The A2G birds (Su-25, Su-25T, A-10A) do not and it would be helpful, if they did. The A-10C and A-10CII do have the capability but they, of course, are FF modules.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Ironhand

[daemon1808]

3 hours ago, Ironhand said:

The A2A birds (F-15C, Su-27, Su-33, and Mig-29A/C/G) all have dedicated commands to enable/disable NWS. The A2G birds (Su-25, Su-25T, A-10A) do not and it would be helpful, if they did. The A-10C and A-10CII do have the capability but they, of course, are FF modules.

 

Ey, you are right Ironhand, thanks! . I haven't check if the keybinding exists in the F-15C, and I have found it now!

Then, what I am requesting is easier. Just to add the same keybinding and behaviour to the other FC3 that don't have it (A-10a, Su-25, etc)

[draconus]

9 minutes ago, daemon1808 said:

I haven't check if the keybinding exists in the F-15C, and I have found it now!

Just remember that it allows the nose wheel to swivel freely (allowing the rudder to move independently), it does not lock it in straight position.

When I find the time I'll check the track and NWS behavior.

Edited September 6, 2023 by draconus

[draconus]

On 9/5/2023 at 6:46 PM, daemon1808 said:

I always have understood that this behaviour is one of the "simplifications" for FC3

Looks like it is simplification indeed in A-10A module. NWS automatically disengages over 45kts.

In A-10C NWS can be controlled by the NWS button on the stick and is advised to be disengaged over 70kts.

F-15C behaves differently though - NWS is always on (with nose strut compressed) and does not need to be disengaged for take off or landing - this is correct.