What about this 2 criticals panels?

[Spirale]

Hi,

I own my beloved Viggen since day one and when i look righ in the cockpit i see the panel " IFF Transpondeur" inert, non fonctional.

When I look left i see the knob " anti jammers filter": some told me it was fonctional, i don't see any difference in use...And there is nothing detailled in the manual about that et it different modes...

Our Viggen is a very interesting and well modeled aircraft except this two items above so when will the Viggen will be out of EA and this two panels fonctionals?

Thx

A huge fan of the Viggen

Edited October 7, 2023 by Spirale

[diego999]

As far as I know, IFF functionality not simulated within DCS except for the most basic stuff. So there's nothing Viggen devs can do when the game itself does not support it.

[Spirale]

For this panel IFF i does not agree with you. F16, F18, Mirage 2000 and Mirage F1 have IFF even the Mig 21. Even if it is an " ersatz" of IFF it is simulated like this but ....exists in DCS.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Spirale

[MAXsenna]

3 minutes ago, Spirale said:

For this panel IFF i does not agree with you. F16, F18, Mirage 2000 and Mirage F1 have IFF even the Mig 21. Even if it is an " ersatz" of IFF it is simulated like this but ....exists in DCS.

 

Sorry, but it's not simulated. Yes, those fighters can interrogate, while the transponder panels in the different modules are not simulated. That's just how it is whether you agree or not.

Cheers!

[Naquaii]

As has been mentioned above, DCS does not currently have a way to simulate IFF in a realistic way. The aircraft that can interrogate other aircraft simply look at the coalition in game and cheats. The panel you describe is a transponder which IRL would control what responses the aircraft give to radar interrogators, and as I described this is not implemented in DCS. The Viggen cannot interrogate other aircraft for IFF if that's what you're after and that's true to life.

As for the anti jam filters, that knob isn't really relevant for DCS as ECM and jammers isn't modelled to a point where it's useful anyway.

[Spirale]

9 hours ago, Naquaii said:

As has been mentioned above, DCS does not currently have a way to simulate IFF in a realistic way. The aircraft that can interrogate other aircraft simply look at the coalition in game and cheats. The panel you describe is a transponder which IRL would control what responses the aircraft give to radar interrogators, and as I described this is not implemented in DCS. The Viggen cannot interrogate other aircraft for IFF if that's what you're after and that's true to life.

As for the anti jam filters, that knob isn't really relevant for DCS as ECM and jammers isn't modelled to a point where it's useful anyway.

In the Mirage F1 you can set a frequency even it is a "cheat" or whatever. Just to say to other aircraft " it is me i am not the ugly guy". My previous question was : would it be possible to create the same possibility as Mirage F1 even if everybody knows DCS does not simulate the real IFF transponder behavior?

For the anti jammer filter: if i follow your logic the whole data link for planes like F 14, F 16, F16 should be removed because it is absolutly not a real datalink ( it is hardly classified) and DCS simulated a wrong datalink. A previous post mentioned the JA37 ( wonder beauty!) and the possibility to have it modeled by you HB. Someone reply: the datalink is too classified, it is not possible to do this aircraft blahblahblah...If i follow your logic, ED should remove all "his" F'x jets which all have a datalink, a false one...But they choosed to model a fake data link and people fly their aircraft with datalink even if it is a false one...and they sell their module, they make money with them.

Same would apply to missile burn through: nobody knows ( except irl pilots) the real value of the burn through. If i follow your logic , all Fox3 missiles shouldn't be modeled, simulated cause it is not relevant? They all should be removed?

Why not simulate a system that would resemble to the IRL one. In DCS you have different sams and airbornes radar/ emitters with different radar waves, why would'nt the viggen have the possibility to adjust, tune, what wave come to him? RCS more tuned will come in the next update, DCS simulated a lot of different waves aspects and returns.

Nobody will have the real data, all the DCS planes ( exept may be the warbirds)  do not have real data for radar, emitters, rwr, IFF but some are simulated by ED, why not by HB?

Edited October 8, 2023 by Spirale

[TLTeo]

The Mirage F1 and other aircraft with clickable IFF panels still do not model it - they simply added the animations to the cockpit, but whether you click those buttons or not is entirely irrelevant. IFF remains a simple check the game makes against coalitions.

Edited October 8, 2023 by TLTeo

[Spirale]

1 hour ago, TLTeo said:

The Mirage F1 and other aircraft with clickable IFF panels still do not model it - they simply added the animations to the cockpit, but whether you click those buttons or not is entirely irrelevant. IFF remains a simple check the game makes against coalitions.

If the game makes a simple check, why is it not allowed to the Viggen to do the same then when the other aircrafts can? (even if in the Viggen it is a simple "answer" and not an emit)

So, with all your comments above, could we considered the Viggen features complete without this two fonctions ( which are "not relevant)? If yes, why the Viggen, after all these years, is till in EA? ( that was my last sentense of my first post)?

If all is fully fonctionnal why the EA status is till attached to the Viggen?

Edited October 8, 2023 by Spirale

[TLTeo]

It already is implemented that way. The Viggen interacts with IFF in the same way every single other module in DCS does.

As to why the Viggen is still tagged as being in EA, that's all up to Heatblur really but the truth is at this point the EA tag in DCS is essentially meaningless, and not just because of the Viggen.

[Naquaii]

4 hours ago, Spirale said:

In the Mirage F1 you can set a frequency even it is a "cheat" or whatever. Just to say to other aircraft " it is me i am not the ugly guy". My previous question was : would it be possible to create the same possibility as Mirage F1 even if everybody knows DCS does not simulate the real IFF transponder behavior?

Because it doesn't matter to other aircraft in DCS. When a radar in DCS checks friend or foe it simply reads the coalition of the aircraft and simulate the IFF, that's what I meant by a cheat. What you set in the interrogated aircraft doesn't matter regardless of what you code as there is no interface for the radar code to read anything from the targed aircraft. There's just no way to "Just to say to other aircraft " it is me i am not the ugly guy"" as you put it, that function isn't currently possible in DCS.

4 hours ago, Spirale said:

For the anti jammer filter: if i follow your logic the whole data link for planes like F 14, F 16, F16 should be removed because it is absolutly not a real datalink ( it is hardly classified) and DCS simulated a wrong datalink. A previous post mentioned the JA37 ( wonder beauty!) and the possibility to have it modeled by you HB. Someone reply: the datalink is too classified, it is not possible to do this aircraft blahblahblah...If i follow your logic, ED should remove all "his" F'x jets which all have a datalink, a false one...But they choosed to model a fake data link and people fly their aircraft with datalink even if it is a false one...and they sell their module, they make money with them.

You're misunderstanding again, I'm not sure why you think I'm saing any of the things you're claiming here, that's on you. The reason I'm saying that the anti-jam function isn't useful is because the functions of it work against jamming techniques that aren't modelled in DCS so there's literally no use for it.

1 hour ago, Spirale said:

If the game makes a simple check, why is it not allowed to the Viggen to do the same then when the other aircrafts can? (even if in the Viggen it is a simple "answer" and not an emit)

So, with all your comments above, could we considered the Viggen features complete without this two fonctions ( which are "not relevant)? If yes, why the Viggen, after all these years, is till in EA? ( that was my last sentense of my first post)?

Because the Viggen can't make that check as its radar isn't construced for air to air and has no way to ask other aircraft for this information. And like I mentioned above there's no way have the Viggen "answer" anything, that function doesn't exist in DCS and a 3rd party can't create it.

And as for feature completion, that depends entirely on if the ability to model these things are added to DCS or not, if they aren't it seems reasonable that the Viggen could be considered feature complete without them.