cannot reproduce Loss of Cyclic Input after extended period of George as pilot

[Guest]

Hi all,

anybody else experience this?  Never had it prior to 2.9.  Was CPG for approx. 6-10 minutes, and upon returning to the back seat, only my collective was having any effect on the aircraft.  A number of times prior to this (same mission on same server) I switched to CPG for 1-2 minutes, and back again without issue.

Will attempt to reproduce in a single player mission to enable a small enough track replay to post here.

Have a good flight.

'52

[Lord Vader]

Hi @Gunslinger52

Operation with George as pilot is still pretty much Work in Progress. 

However big (10 minutes isn't that bad, you can use time acceleration if you need), if you can produce a track with this happening we would appreciate it.

[NIGHTHAWK1]

had same problem, did not keep track.

[Guest]

On 10/26/2023 at 3:04 AM, Lord Vader said:

Hi @Gunslinger52

Operation with George as pilot is still pretty much Work in Progress. 

However big (10 minutes isn't that bad, you can use time acceleration if you need), if you can produce a track with this happening we would appreciate it.

Thanks for the reply Lord Vader,  will give it a few goes this weekend.  Have a good one

[Guest]

On 10/26/2023 at 3:04 AM, Lord Vader said:

Hi @Gunslinger52

Operation with George as pilot is still pretty much Work in Progress. 

However big (10 minutes isn't that bad, you can use time acceleration if you need), if you can produce a track with this happening we would appreciate it.

Hi Lord Vader,

this happened 3 times in a row on this server (but not to my wingman who has different flight control control hardware to me).  On these times, it was a lot less than 10min as CPG.   Hope this has captured it!

Have a good one.

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TFK_PG_Scud_Hunt_A_151023-20231102-195311.trk

[Guest]

Hi @Lord Vader,

have found the trigger-- It's the George AI Helper 'window'.  I can go back and forth between seats as many times as I like without losing control, until I am in the front and bring up the AI helper 'window'.  I don't even need to give George a control using the Helper.  The effect is also instant.

Hope you can help, as it's not a lot of fun right now.

Have a good one.

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No need for George input just helper to fail.trk Only happens after I use George Helper 1.trk Only happens after I use George Helper 2.trk

[Lord Vader]

I'll have a look @Gunslinger52

[Lord Vader]

Hello again @Gunslinger52

Just tried your tracks, as well as fly for a good period of time and could not reproduce your issue. Switched places a few times and flew for about 10 or more minutes, opening the George AI window several times. I would suggest you run a repair on your system and go from there. 

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Lord Vader said:

Hello again @Gunslinger52

Just tried your tracks, as well as fly for a good period of time and could not reproduce your issue. Switched places a few times and flew for about 10 or more minutes, opening the George AI window several times. I would suggest you run a repair on your system and go from there. 

Thanks Lord Vader, appreciate your time very much.

I'll try a repair (again) - have just done one to try and fix DCS crashing when I join a server I've always flown in.  (Have submitted crash log in a separate post).  My wingman also has no issue using the George AI window.  

Thanks again, will post the results after the full repair here.  

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[Guest]

Hi @Flappie ,

I was hoping you could help me with this one. (Now that I can go flying again)

If I switch to the front seat and do not use the George AI Helper window, I can switch back to the pilot seat without any issues.

I can use the George AI window in the back seat whenever I like- no issues. 

If however I bring up the AI helper (while in the front seat), whenever I go back to the pilot seat, I no longer have any flight control inputs registered within the aircraft.

To fix this in flight, I can immediately go back to the front seat, NOT bring up the AI helper, then go back to the pilot seat- which now will again allow my flight control inputs.

This one is so bizarre, I thought you might be able to help.  Track attached should show what is going on.  Have run many full repairs, updated everything you can think of (while you fixed my last crash issue).  All is working fine apart from this George AI helper window.

Thanks for any time you can afford. Have a good weekend.

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No need for George input just helper to fail 2.trk

[Flappie]

Hi @Gunslinger52. I've just tried it myself and I cannot reproduce the issue either. Let's try a few things...

First, please attach a screenshot of your AH-64 "Special" options.

Second, have you assigned joystick controls to George AI Helper menu? If so, remove them, then see if you can still reproduce the issue.

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Flappie said:

Hi @Gunslinger52. I've just tried it myself and I cannot reproduce the issue either. Let's try a few things...

First, please attach a screenshot of your AH-64 "Special" options.

Second, have you assigned joystick controls to George AI Helper menu? If so, remove them, then see if you can still reproduce the issue.

 

Awesome, thanks Flappie.

Noticed some (buttons) bound for the helper on a 2nd joystick I use for my F-16 only.  Deleted these just in case.  

Unfortunately won't get a chance to test for a day or so.  Will post results here.

Hope you get your weekends off?  

Have a good one.

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[Flappie]

27 minutes ago, Gunslinger52 said:

Hope you get your weekends off? 

I do, and I'm not an ED employee. I was not working today, and whenever I don't work at my company, I "work" on DCS as a hobby, either chasing bugs or making maps.

Have a nice weekend.

[Guest]

Hi Flappie,

removed all joystick bindings for the George Helper, even ones that were still working fine.  No change I'm afraid.  Tried unchecking 'Auto George Handover' and flying, then back to checked, no change.  

Unsure if the attached will help.  It should show me jumping up front while still on the ground, calling up George AI window, no commands, then jumping back to the pilots seat, to find myself launching into the air as George had done some inputs for reasons unknown to me.  Is he maybe trimming or recalibrating things so far out of whack when I am up front and bring up the window, that it only appears as though I have no input when I return?

Sorry for taking up so much of your time.  I have other modules, like the Huey and Viper, so no pressure to fix this!  

Have a good week.

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All input changed.trk

[Guest]

On 10/26/2023 at 10:02 AM, NIGHTHAWK1 said:

had same problem, did not keep track.

Hi Nighthawk1,

did you have any luck solving this?  I have found a way to regain control (but it's not a fix).  When I go back to the pilot seat (and have no control), I immediately revert to the front seat, then immediately go back again to the pilot seat, and then control is restored.

Hopefully someone will figure something out soon.

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[NIGHTHAWK1]

As of the latest update - no joy - your work around does work for me, thank you.  I was going to submit a "bug report" about this today, unless someone from ED will acknowledge this is a reported and being worked on bug.

[Flappie]

@Gunslinger52 @NIGHTHAWK1 Now that you are two, we can try and see what you have in common. Please attach your dcs.log.old file, from Saved Games/DCS.../Logs.

[NIGHTHAWK1]

dcs.logQuick flight Caucus live fire quick miz.   Happens at end of flight.   It took awhile to reproduce but did finally happen.  Hope this helps  I did save track also if you want that.

dcs.log

dcs.log.old

Edited November 17, 2023 by NIGHTHAWK1

[Guest]

@Flappie Hi again.  Just did a fresh .trk after the update yesterday.  Same results.  Please excuse terrible flying, I've tried completely removing my stick from Windows/DCS etc., and haven't gotten the curves/deadzones back in yet.

Thanks for looking into this for us.

'52dcs.log.old

After latest update .trk

Edited November 17, 2023 by Gunslinger52

[Flappie]

Tank you both. I see you have completely different controllers, so let's put that aside.

@Gunslinger52 I copied your AH-64 special options and I'm still unable to reproduce  your issue, even when I take control over your track.

Since you've already tried a repair, please try renaming your "Saved Games/DCS..." folder to "DCS.bak" (do NOT delete it).

You will then get default options and default bindings. Quickly rebind the axis, then see  if you still can reproduce the issue.

At the end of this test, you'll need to rename the new folder to whatever you want (e.g. "DCS.test"), then give back "DCS.bak" its previous name.

[Guest]

Sounds good,  will do.  Thanks again Flappie 

[Guest]

Unbelievable!  You have done it again good sir.

(Your comment about the 2 different sticks was the trick).  The new Savegames folder with my normal stick made no change.  But switching it's power supply (FFB stick) off, and shifting bindings to my X56 stick was the fix!  Thanks so much again!

So unsure about what is causing the stick to be an issue.  Have reloaded the drivers to no avail.  It's pretty old, but WIN10 recognizes it and the software I have can make the FFB effects work (just not in DCS).  

Looks like I'll be looking for another old FFB stick  They are so much better than self centering ones.  

Will revert to the old Savegames folder, and try using the X56 stick- will let you know if it doesn't work.

Have a great weekend!

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[Flappie]

Great!

What is the model of your FFB stick? I don't see any in your log.

@NIGHTHAWK1 Do you use a FFB stick as well?

[Guest]

It's a Saitek Cyborg Evo Force.

Others have managed to get FF working via a modified driver on Github but I can't follow their jargon enough  

[Flappie]

OK, thanks for your feedback. Have a great weekend too.