Default F-16C Submissions

[Cydrych]

Overall I think lee1hy's skins are good and an improvement on the standard ED skins. Yes, some of the have glass ones are too dark or too light and some of the standard blue/gray ones are a little too blue but overall I think he does a good job. We also can't complain too much seeing as they are free and look realistic. It would be a different story if all the skins on user files were pastel colors and covered in anime girls.

Speaking of have glass skins I haven't seen anyone successfully replicate the Have Glass V look in DCS. Every have glass skin I've seen including my own are either too dark, too light, too warm in hue, too shiny, not shiny enough etc. Have Glass is very difficult to get right and the color varies greatly depending on angle of the sun, ambient light, weathering etc. Photos online show it can be anywhere between a matte blueish dark gray to light shiny silver gray. That's assuming filters and photoshop wasn't used to enhance the look too. The only real life example I have are the Tulsa F-16s. I see them almost daily. They are Have Glass V and quite dark in real life. However there's photos online of the same jet looking blue gray and silver gray and the only difference was the angle of the sun.

[lee1hy]

In the two weeks since this post was open, no one has posted  or submit anything except a few skins.
then this post was closed (maybe ED deadline due to kola open beta?)
After some people are busy writing strange rumors and criticism other people's work 

If  true Viper fan and passionate, please send your feedback to the ED team with your wonderfull f-16 skin


My work will be finished soon.  I plan to fix / readjust the brightness all my f-16 skins and finish it (advice is always welcome) 


 

Edited February 27, 2024 by lee1hy

[Mach3DS]

17 hours ago, Cydrych said:

Overall I think lee1hy's skins are good and an improvement on the standard ED skins. Yes, some of the have glass ones are too dark or too light and some of the standard blue/gray ones are a little too blue but overall I think he does a good job. We also can't complain too much seeing as they are free and look realistic. It would be a different story if all the skins on user files were pastel colors and covered in anime girls.

Speaking of have glass skins I haven't seen anyone successfully replicate the Have Glass V look in DCS. Every have glass skin I've seen including my own are either too dark, too light, too warm in hue, too shiny, not shiny enough etc. Have Glass is very difficult to get right and the color varies greatly depending on angle of the sun, ambient light, weathering etc. Photos online show it can be anywhere between a matte blueish dark gray to light shiny silver gray. That's assuming filters and photoshop wasn't used to enhance the look too. The only real life example I have are the Tulsa F-16s. I see them almost daily. They are Have Glass V and quite dark in real life. However there's photos online of the same jet looking blue gray and silver gray and the only difference was the angle of the sun.

I understand what you're saying.  However, I don't think that excuses need to be made for why it's not accurate.  This is something very simple to fix because of the way the paint kit is setup.  The brightness and coloring should be fixed, and sounds like it is, so kudos to Lee1hy for taking that to heart. 

This is my rendition of Have Glass V.  I felt like I got pretty close to the look.  HG V isn't just a dark color it has a translucent/diffused finish in bright lighting.  There is a common error of thinking that all the dark colored F-16s are HG.  They are not.  Some are just painted darker or lighter.  Doesn't mean they have the HG treatment.  You can also see the small amount of grit in the normal all over which adds to the effect.  These were all made for the v57th.  This is all the same HGV textures just in different lighting conditions or angles.

2 other people that have got the look right IMHO are Roughmaster and Texac.  

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Mach3DS

[Mach3DS]

9 hours ago, lee1hy said:

In the two weeks since this post was open, no one has posted  or submit anything except a few skins.
then this post was closed (maybe ED deadline due to kola open beta?)
After some people are busy writing strange rumors and criticism other people's work 

If  true Viper fan and passionate, please send your feedback to the ED team with your wonderfull f-16 skin


My work will be finished soon.  I plan to fix / readjust the brightness all my f-16 skins and finish it (advice is always welcome) 


 

 

Sorry, I don't read everything on the forums everyday.  But I do understand what you mean.  However, better late than never!  Thanks for taking the constructive criticism to heart.  The F-16 community thanks you.  

[Kerbo 416]

While I appreciate Leehy reaching out to Roughmaster and I am sure that Rough will absolutely more then deliver on the european liveries, I am still a bit disappointed with the choice for the rest of the liveries. I have redone my Egyptian F-16 4 times since I started learning livery making three years ago, and so I hope you can understand it was a bit shorthanded to then pick someone else to do this livery for inclusion ingame.

[Mach3DS]

As an example of HAVE GLASS V.  

You can see in the photo the grit in the finish.  

You can also see my replication of the surface grit in the DCS livery.  Great care and time has been spent on getting the finished look correct not just in the diffuse color but also how the light interacts dynamically with the surface to get something close to how it changes look in different lighting.

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Mach3DS

[lee1hy]

On 2/28/2024 at 5:13 AM, Kerbo 416 said:

While I appreciate Leehy reaching out to Roughmaster and I am sure that Rough will absolutely more then deliver on the european liveries, I am still a bit disappointed with the choice for the rest of the liveries. I have redone my Egyptian F-16 4 times since I started learning livery making three years ago, and so I hope you can understand it was a bit shorthanded to then pick someone else to do this livery for inclusion ingame.

Do you have bort number?  Looking at the user files, there is no bort in your livery. There are gery / gery(oragne) egypt and bort number skins created by Ramazoti
I don't know who is doing EAF but I guess ED pick one of the beta testers or someone with a bort number.

Edited March 1, 2024 by lee1hy

[YenLin801215]

I only did a series of ROCAF F-16 paintings.
ROCAF uses a certain number of F-16s, currently about 140.
In addition, the number of newly purchased aircraft will reach 200.

Edited March 1, 2024 by YenLin801215

[lee1hy]

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=780805690761638&set=pcb.780805740761633

Looks like another livery submit

Many people are participating in f16 livery

[Cydrych]

8 hours ago, lee1hy said:

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=780805690761638&set=pcb.780805740761633

Looks like another livery submit

Many people are participating in f16 livery

That one is mine but I didn't submit it. I don't think ED will use it because isn't a real jet, the color is too dark, it has a few small texture errors, and it has an Oklahoma state paint stamp I added for fun because that's where it was technically "painted." But it is cool seeing someone use the sexiest F-16 livery there is. 

I have a much better Tulsa Have Glass livery of 88-539 that should be out in a few days. I think it is a major improvement over that one so keep an eye out for it.

[lee1hy]

3 hours ago, Cydrych said:

That one is mine but I didn't submit it. I don't think ED will use it because isn't a real jet, the color is too dark, it has a few small texture errors, and it has an Oklahoma state paint stamp I added for fun because that's where it was technically "painted." But it is cool seeing someone use the sexiest F-16 livery there is. 

I have a much better Tulsa Have Glass livery of 88-539 that should be out in a few days. I think it is a major improvement over that one so keep an eye out for it.

I dont think ED doesn't take screenshots without a reason
when ED  HAF or IAF was added, they contacted them later

DCS 99% liveries are already no real jet.

Edited March 2, 2024 by lee1hy

[Texac]

4 hours ago, Cydrych said:

That one is mine but I didn't submit it. I don't think ED will use it because isn't a real jet, the color is too dark, it has a few small texture errors, and it has an Oklahoma state paint stamp I added for fun because that's where it was technically "painted." But it is cool seeing someone use the sexiest F-16 livery there is. 

I have a much better Tulsa Have Glass livery of 88-539 that should be out in a few days. I think it is a major improvement over that one so keep an eye out for it.

ED won't implement it because it's also not optimized for performance. Since you also don't export with MipMaps checked and you haven't zipped it. Increasing file size to roughly 500MB or so for each skin. However as a side note, exporting with MipMaps and choosing the right choice of colors doesn't seem to be much of an issue for ED. 

Your file size is huge because, which I think is worth pointing out, you don't use ED's template and instead use a custom made template which adds much more details, fixes and stuff left out by ED. Meaning Normal, RoughMet and a whole other edited textures need to be included, resulting in a higher file size. 

I don't see dynamic bort numbers on your skins as well.... which, apparently as written above, also appears to be a reason to not include them. 

 

Anyways, IMO there are quite a few accurate representations of Have Glass V out there. Some were mentioned by Mach3DS but those won't be included unfortunately...

Have Glass V CAN have a metallic appearance to it but it is not the rule. Since it probably takes a bit of time and flight hours to wear on the coating. And then it'll also highlight another detail that the maintenance stencils are very matte. Same as it was with the first Have Glass variants.

@Cydrych I think your Have Glass V liveries look pretty decent so far, only the missing MipMaps and the stencils that aren't matte stick out to me.

Edited March 2, 2024 by Texac

[lee1hy]

Who judges whose accuracy?   Has anyone worked in the USAF, in the Maintenance Group, or actually painted an F-16? 

DCS Livery has a lot of really great skins makers, including 3D industrial level and more. a lot of great skin makers, not just for the f-16 
There are some weird small group of people who think they are the best and  said "im best" "my freind is best" .   
To the public, they may all appear to be the same skin. It's so funny to come this far and say something about metallic and blabla thing 
In the end, , “My skin is the answer, select my skin, my friend skin is best ”  no? Isn't this it?



no one represents f16 livery
Don't be conceited



Do you think with common sense that such diffuclt and complex colors can be done simply?
Please don't criticize others again and  locked this thread either.


https://twitter.com/potettan620/status/1612300431694364672/photo/2
https://www.alamy.com/us-air-force-f-16-in-the-new-have-glass-radar-absorbing-paint-image431668908.html

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9465763

2 hours ago, Texac said:

ED won't implement it because it's also not optimized for performance. Since you also don't export with MipMaps checked and you haven't zipped it. Increasing file size to roughly 500MB or so for each skin. However as a side note, exporting with MipMaps and choosing the right choice of colors doesn't seem to be much of an issue for ED. 

Your file size is huge because, which I think is worth pointing out, you don't use ED's template and instead use a custom made template which adds much more details, fixes and stuff left out by ED. Meaning Normal, RoughMet and a whole other edited textures need to be included, resulting in a higher file size. 

I don't see dynamic bort numbers on your skins as well.... which, apparently as written above, also appears to be a reason to not include them. 

 

Anyways, IMO there are quite a few accurate representations of Have Glass V out there. Some were mentioned by Mach3DS but those won't be included unfortunately...

Have Glass V CAN have a metallic appearance to it but it is not the rule. Since it probably takes a bit of time and flight hours to wear on the coating. And then it'll also highlight another detail that the maintenance stencils are very matte. Same as it was with the first Have Glass variants.

@Cydrych I think your Have Glass V liveries look pretty decent so far, only the missing MipMaps and the stencils that aren't matte stick out to me.

 

 

Edited March 2, 2024 by lee1hy

[Texac]

Aren't we allowed to point out issues and leave feedback because to your opinion we have to be an actual maintenance crew member to do so? What makes your opinion so much clearer? Are you painting real F-16s? 

In any way a meaningless argument. Painting a digital 3d model compared to painting an actual aircraft made up of metals are two entirely different things. I don't think MipMaps or color profiles are a concern for crews working on the real jet. 

 

Whoever you're referring to, but no one here is really conceited with their work. We don't have to get personal. Most of us writing here are mainly interested in seeing the visuals recreated down to every little detail as close as possible since it's what we enjoy most with DCS. Some of us would have liked to contribute to the official pack as well and I think we are totally fine in sharing our views and highlighting any issues or concerns.

Since it's clear that you are now single handedly going to work on all the next official liveries, we would just like to see some inaccuracies or errors that we notice flushed out. Though it seems you are not open to any kind of critique or feedback: "something about metallic and blabla thing".

[Flаnker]

4 минуты назад, Texac сказал:

Aren't we allowed to point out issues and leave feedback because to your opinion we have to be an actual maintenance crew member to do so? What makes your opinion so much clearer? Are you painting real F-16s? 

In any way a meaningless argument. Painting a digital 3d model compared to painting an actual aircraft made up of metals are two entirely different things. I don't think MipMaps or color profiles are a concern for crews working on the real jet. 

 

Whoever you're referring to, but no one here is really conceited with their work. We don't have to get personal. Most of us writing here are mainly interested in seeing the visuals recreated down to every little detail as close as possible since it's what we enjoy most with DCS. Some of us would have liked to contribute to the official pack as well and I think we are totally fine in sharing our views and highlighting any issues or concerns.

Since it's clear that you are now single handedly going to work on all the next official liveries, we would just like to see some inaccuracies or errors that we notice flushed out. Though it seems you are not open to any kind of critique or feedback: "something about metallic and blabla thing".

I agree with you!

[lee1hy]

20 minutes ago, Texac said:

Aren't we allowed to point out issues and leave feedback because to your opinion we have to be an actual maintenance crew member to do so? What makes your opinion so much clearer? Are you painting real F-16s? 

In any way a meaningless argument. Painting a digital 3d model compared to painting an actual aircraft made up of metals are two entirely different things. I don't think MipMaps or color profiles are a concern for crews working on the real jet. 

 

Whoever you're referring to, but no one here is really conceited with their work. We don't have to get personal. Most of us writing here are mainly interested in seeing the visuals recreated down to every little detail as close as possible since it's what we enjoy most with DCS. Some of us would have liked to contribute to the official pack as well and I think we are totally fine in sharing our views and highlighting any issues or concerns.

Since it's clear that you are now single handedly going to work on all the next official liveries, we would just like to see some inaccuracies or errors that we notice flushed out. Though it seems you are not open to any kind of critique or feedback: "something about metallic and blabla thing".

Looking at the date of your writing speed ,
I don't think you missed Wag's submit post, but But now you haven't submitted anything  that you are say "i dont like, its not accuracy" and blah blah thing  now? 
Only you enjoy  and viper love? everybody enjoy and viper love 
Even when I recommended others, you did nothing.

 

I always made changes after receiving feedback from people working on real airplanes in the users files comments

Opinions like yours are not considered feedback
It's just a criticism that your posts are always locked.

Edited March 2, 2024 by lee1hy

[Mach3DS]

There's absolutely no reason to lock this thread.   We're all being civil/polite.   

 

You asked who the judge is?  The colors are the judge.  They are incorrect on your jets.  Specifically, in the Hill 2 tone jets, the light grey is too dark.  You have almost no contrast between the 2 colors.   There are other things, but I'll just stick to this one major and IMHO show stopping item.  This is what I meant in my previous comments about our "style"  having nothing to do with making liveries once you start making them for official use.  Accuracy matters more.  To answer another question you asked, yes, many of us work on programs where we interact with the painted aircraft. 

Anyway, this isn't meant to be harsh personal criticism. It's meant as constructive -- to make the "official liveries" as good as they can be.  Again this isn't about your "style" or my "style".   

 

I can't submit my liveries.  No one can.  You were selected.  I didn't even know about the request until after  Wags posted about just choosing you as the only artist.  I think you're taking offense where none was intended.   Saying that your color selection is incorrect is not the same as saying your work is terrible or that someone elses are better.  Comparisons are for information sharing.  Not boasting.  If I came off that way I'm sorry.  What I'm trying to share is that the correct Have Glass look can be achieved.  Others have done it already, correctly. 

 

Just for some transparency, ask any of HB livery artists how may iterations of colors I went through for Tomcats.  I got tons of feedback/constructive criticism.  This isn't unique to you or your liveries.  Everyone gets it.  Where's @LanceCriminal86? 

Edited March 2, 2024 by Mach3DS

[Cydrych]

Guys let try to keep it civil and not get personal so ED won't step in and lock thread. There's been some good things discussed here and constructive criticism is an ok thing. Texac pointed out issues with my liveries and they're all valid concerns. I don't take offense to any of it and will incorporate that advice going forward in order to improve the accuracy and quality. 

We all love the F-16 and want it to be as realistic as possible. ED chose Lee1hy to improve the base liveries. Personally, I don't think they gave enough time for people to submit their liveries for consideration especially considering the high quality ones already on user files but regardless we have to respect ED's decision.

Lee1hy, I think there might be some confusion due to the language barrier because no one has said your liveries are bad. They are high quality just some need minor color corrections to bring them closer to the real thing. Not a big deal. Just remember, ED chose you as the guy to improve the F-16. Texac and others (including myself) obviously feel like they missed out on this opportunity and it wasn't fair but, I think it is only natural we chime with feedback so can you can make the most true to life liveries possible to be included in the base game. If ED had chosen someone else we'd be critiquing their liveries too.

[lee1hy]

Texac is recently uploaded (77th and 55th HV), it has the same logo and same stencil , same black label, as mine, same tail flash, yes he is great f-16 skins 
Have I uploaded mixing fiction units and patches? 

Oh yes, maybe diffrents HUE/SAT and roughmet by "his style"  

 

Still dont understand it what is his point of  accuracy  
And why keep summoning someone in here? 
what are the real intentions?

really accept postive feedback? i dont think so ( summoning someone  and looks like same before?)
even he is refuse  feedback yourself,  how can you feedback others? 

forcibly erased who wrote feedback 

Edited March 2, 2024 by lee1hy

[Mach3DS]

1 hour ago, lee1hy said:

Texac is recently uploaded (77th and 55th HV), it has the same logo and same stencil , same black label, as mine, same tail flash, yes he is great f-16 skins 
Have I uploaded mixing fiction units and patches? 

Oh yes, maybe diffrents HUE/SAT and roughmet by "his style"  

 

Still dont understand it what is his point of  accuracy  
And why keep summoning someone in here? 
what are the real intentions?

really accept postive feedback? i dont think so ( summoning someone  and looks like same before?)
even he is refuse  feedback yourself,  how can you feedback others? 

forcibly erased who wrote feedback 

 

Good luck dude.  You're a one man show now.  All the best.  

[lee1hy]

7 hours ago, Mach3DS said:

There's absolutely no reason to lock this thread.   We're all being civil/polite.   

 

You asked who the judge is?  The colors are the judge.  They are incorrect on your jets.  Specifically, in the Hill 2 tone jets, the light grey is too dark.  You have almost no contrast between the 2 colors.   There are other things, but I'll just stick to this one major and IMHO show stopping item.  This is what I meant in my previous comments about our "style"  having nothing to do with making liveries once you start making them for official use.  Accuracy matters more.  To answer another question you asked, yes, many of us work on programs where we interact with the painted aircraft. 

Anyway, this isn't meant to be harsh personal criticism. It's meant as constructive -- to make the "official liveries" as good as they can be.  Again this isn't about your "style" or my "style".   

 

I can't submit my liveries.  No one can.  You were selected.  I didn't even know about the request until after  Wags posted about just choosing you as the only artist.  I think you're taking offense where none was intended.   Saying that your color selection is incorrect is not the same as saying your work is terrible or that someone elses are better.  Comparisons are for information sharing.  Not boasting.  If I came off that way I'm sorry.  What I'm trying to share is that the correct Have Glass look can be achieved.  Others have done it already, correctly. 

 

Just for some transparency, ask any of HB livery artists how may iterations of colors I went through for Tomcats.  I got tons of feedback/constructive criticism.  This isn't unique to you or your liveries.  Everyone gets it.  Where's @LanceCriminal86? 

 

 

 

So what color is right?  Do I really need to post pictures of the US f-16 in various colors here?
even one color there are  different depends on sunlight or wron or painted group 


When Cydrych mentioned about HAVE GLASS, then what you said?
You forced  that everyone knows and can be searched on Google

you keep said "This is right and that is wrong." Ordinary people have wrong about HGV"  to him
and same to me

What kind of nonsense is this ? 

Oh yes, default f-16 is  so bad, we know,  
 

I did not choose this project myself, I am working on it because it was suggested by ED, but I am still try fixing my work.
If you're have more  material, send it to ED.

But I don't think you have more material than ED
 

 

Edited March 3, 2024 by lee1hy

[Urbi]

Hello Matt Wags! I can't quite follow your call to create liveries for the countries mentioned under points 1-5. All countries listed there do not have an F-15C Block 50. Not even an F-16C. Excerpt: https://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article9.html (Production
Production of the block 50/52 totals 813 airframes up to now. Manufacturing started in 1991 and is still ongoing. Block 50 aircraft were delivered to the USAF, Turkey, Greece and Chile, whilst Block 52 aircraft were delivered to the USAF, South Korea, Singapore, Greece, Poland and Israel. Of the total number of Block 50/52, still 260 are waiting delivery to the customer (July 2003).) All of these countries had/have F-16A variants. When I see in the uploaded user lives, 70% are not F-16C Block 50/52. Next comes the no longer existing realism, as these A variants are armed with the C. Special specialists among the users then further falsify the weaponry. The discussion taking place here gives me the rest of my incomprehension.

[YenLin801215]

I hope that one day I can see the ROCAF standard 4th and 5th TFW liveries included in the official paint package.
Although ROCAF does not use F-16C block50... At present, ROCAF has more than 100 F-16s in active use.



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Edited March 3, 2024 by YenLin801215

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

On 2/14/2024 at 9:59 AM, Wags said:

Dear all,

After talking with lee1hy, we've decided that he'll be providing the requested skins, and quite a few more. He does fantastic work that I believe players will enjoy.

In the end, we want to provide the best possible F-16C liveries to our customers. After a careful review of the F-16C user file skins, we believe that lee1hy provides outstanding F-16C skins that meet our needs. Further, by using a single source, it greatly streamlines the process. It was my mistake creating this topic prior to carefully reviewing the F-16C user files skins before making this decision.

Kind regards,
Matt

With respect but my opinion...

How much did this decision to rely on just one livery maker "greatly streamline" the process? Eliminated a vote by the team? I have participated in two of the more recent skin competitions and found it more than impressive to see the quality of most of the submissions. There were certainly "personalities" in the different skins from each livery maker. Are you looking to have a more monolithic batch of skins by having them made by just one maker? If so, you would have been better off not mentioning any name, call the competition off and just hire your chosen artist. That's normal business practice and I don't think that anyone would object to that. By publicly announcing @lee1hyas the sole artist, I feel that you have done him a disservice and opened up some feelings of resentment (understandable) by other talented livery makers. His skins are very good through all of the modules that he has worked on. They may not be absolutely perfect but whose are? Mine are certainly not.

I have no dog in this race since I haven't (yet) made any F-16 skins. I refrain from making any comments about any F-16 skins.

Perhaps a lesson for the future?

I do hope that the future you will still hold skin competitions. I think that it furthers our sense of community as skin makers and I certainly have a sense of pride seeing my creations in the official game.

Edited March 4, 2024 by II.JG1_Vonrd

[Slippa]

I stumbled on the B17 livery competition and enjoyed reading through it. I wouldn’t know where to start to make my own and readily snapped up most of them once they were around. Thanks to all concerned, they’re great btw. Having a variety of people making them brought exactly that, variety. Have to agree about the sense of community spirit it brought as well, along with some dramas about mitmaps or roughmets or whatever they’re called. We all got some great skins, winners got a module and the community as a whole were the winners.

I’ve no skin in the game either (pardon the pun) and I’ve nothing against any one skinner or another doing them but I think having those competitions is or was a great way of doing it. 

One day I’ll decipher one of these templates myself in Photoshop but you’re all quite safe for now.