A barrel-roll-loop!

[EtherealN]

Mangaroca, I've seen people quote 130kph as the most effective speed - though it's possible that that was most effective for fuel and not for actual climb. Anyone know for certain?

[AlphaOneSix]

130km/hr is the speed that results in the best rate of climb over time. In other words, in one minute, you will gain more altitude if you go 130km/hr than at any other speed.

[Shrubbo]

Ok this is how I learned to do them. Once you learn how to do it every time you can refine it but this will get you started.

 

1: Fly straigh and level, faster the better. Near VNE is a good place to start because when you stuff it up you will lose speed and it's not like you are going to really die :D

 

2: Slightly bank to the right and then pull up smoothly (Dont jerk it) to about 25 degrees on you hud then boot full left rudder and full left stick.

 

3: Keep the same back pressure on the stick.

 

4: As its roll thru inverted (That be upside down matey!) quickly push the collective to zero. Keep boot in and the stick over tho.

 

5: As it rolls thru about 3/4 of the loop start feeding back in collective and get off the rudder and recover.

 

The above will be a bit messy but it is how I taught myself to do them. In fact it is the "formula" I found after I didn't die once and kept at it until I didn't die every time and came up with that.

 

Once you got that down you can refine it with practice until you can pull them off each way very smoothly while keeping the g load down and the ball in the center. Right rolls tend to require more precision tho, well they did for me at any rate.

 

Hope this helps those that wish to impress the ladies ;)

[Jonay]

I'd edit point 4 of your post:

 

4. As it rolls through inverted, quickly push the collective to 5-10%, keep applying rudder and stick though.

 

reason?

 

because when collective is at 0, there is no pitch on the blades (remember thats what the collective is, not a throttle ;) ), therefore nothing is going to happen no matter what way you wangle the stick, but if you apply just the slightest bit of pitch, then you will still keep the helo from pulling its self down to earth, and you'll still get enough agility to complete the maneuver.

[deadsmell]

my two cents (which aint worth much):

 

A few days ago i decided to try flying with no payload, and only 40% fuel. At that weight, it was almost a challenge to break the ka50. I was rolling and looping and twisting and turning, and the aircraft didnt seem to mind much at all.

 

It handles alot differently at that weight, in fact the challenge, was getting used to flying it like that, because it was so much more responsive.

 

give it a try.

 

edit: I did not read this entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already.

[Mustang]

Indeed. :)

 

Btw, a very nice video of the Ka-50 doing maneuvers: http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Force_Feedback/485/

 

Get the original video here http://www.virtual-jabog32.de/index.php?section=downloads&subcat=30&file=807&lang=en

[Shrubbo]

I'd edit point 4 of your post:

 

4. As it rolls through inverted, quickly push the collective to 5-10%, keep applying rudder and stick though.

 

reason?

 

because when collective is at 0, there is no pitch on the blades (remember thats what the collective is, not a throttle ;) ), therefore nothing is going to happen no matter what way you wangle the stick, but if you apply just the slightest bit of pitch, then you will still keep the helo from pulling its self down to earth, and you'll still get enough agility to complete the maneuver.

 

Actually you are incorrect, with speed you can waggle the stick with no pitch and lots of interesting things happen :)

 

It has been a while since I have done what I posted so I just went and checked and my post is correct. Follow my instructions and you will barrel roll ranging from crap to not to shabby every time. Once you can pull off the basics the rest is just practice.

 

Remember my instructions are to teach someone who has never done one before how to get the basics of the stunt as easily as possible, not how to do it sweet.

 

deadsmell (lol awesome name) has a very very good point. Dump the weight and it is vastly easier to do silly things. My aerobatics load out has only 20% fuel and zero ammo but I always have wind and turbulence of diffent levels. Dead calm is no fun :)