Mission 12 - Paco orbits overhead mother forever.

[5EVC Tiger]

I do not know what trigger doesn't kick in but after Cat 1 launch, and getting the instruction to rejoin with Paco, I kept flying overhead Mother with Paco for over 1hr and nothing happens.

Tacview-20240403-185223-DCS-Speed and Angels - 12b.zip.acmi

Edited April 4, 2024 by 5EVC Tiger

[Reflected]

I just played that mission 5 minutes ago and had no problem.

a) you have unofficial mods installed

b) run a slow repair

c) you didn't get close enough (within a few hundred feet)

d) it's this: 

 

Also, did you salute to the shooter using the key combo or the radio menu? In any case, next time it happens please attach a track here.  Thanks!

Edited April 4, 2024 by Reflected

[5EVC Tiger]

17 hours ago, Reflected said:

I just played that mission 5 minutes ago and had no problem.

a) you have unofficial mods installed

b) run a slow repair

c) you didn't get close enough (within a few hundred feet)

d) it's this: 

 

Also, did you salute to the shooter using the key combo or the radio menu? In any case, next time it happens please attach a track here.  Thanks!

 

I just added the Tacview file to my post.

[Jayhawk1971]

Apparently, if you use the radio command instead of the "salute" key bind to launch the catapult (or the other way round?), Paco's trigger may not work. So whatever you have been using to launch so far, try the other option.  

The mission works for me, but I am using VAICOM and use a voice command (that probably uses the "salute" key).

Edited April 4, 2024 by Jayhawk1971

[Reflected]

3 hours ago, 5EVC Tiger said:

I just added the Tacview file to my post.

Thanks, can you save a DCS track please? ED will be asking for that, they can't debug using a TacView.

[5EVC Tiger]

I retried this mission last night. Same thing. See track attached. I noticed Paco making a very shallow climb and levels at FL240 and not 250.

Paco stuck at FL240.trk

[Reflected]

44 minutes ago, 5EVC Tiger said:

I retried this mission last night. Same thing. See track attached. I noticed Paco making a very shallow climb and levels at FL240 and not 250.

Paco stuck at FL240.trk 29.79 MB · 0 downloads

Did you use the salute button or the radio menu to launch?

[5EVC Tiger]

On 4/9/2024 at 8:15 AM, Reflected said:

Did you use the salute button or the radio menu to launch?

Always !

[Reflected]

25 minutes ago, 5EVC Tiger said:

Always !

If this refers to the salute button, then the problem is this (potential workarounds in the below thread):
 

 

[Grundar]

I had this exact same problem with MIssion 12 as well as of the latest patch (Currently 8/5/24).  The work around is using the hotkey shortcut for saluting when launching from the carrier (Shift-U).  I know that it shouldn't work (and maybe it is confirmation bias) but if I used the radio menu to select salute, I would launch no problem but then Paco would circle at approximately 240 feet and circle the boat then slowly (very slowly) stagger to near 25000 and when I formed up on him nothing ever progressed it somehow is influencing or delaying the trigger (I have no idea i'm not a mission nor campaign creator).

I did a slow repair (DCS loads much faster but no change to the mission), I have absolutely no mods or addons that I use, so nothing to change there.  I did notice that when I salute with the hotkey (Shift-U) the glove appears in the saluting motion(like when you give the thumbs up), If I salute via the radio menu, no glove and bugged mission. 

I absolutely love this campaign it is a lot of fun and has been challenging so far, all Reflected's campaigns are really, really good - you really get involved with the aircraft and they are very fun.  I just wish ED would fix the core AI problems. 

[Reflected]

@niksavv or anyone who has this issue can u do me a favor and when the bug happens, open the F10 map, ckick on the Paco who doesn’t want to stop orbiting and take a screenshot of the unit’s name?

[niksavv]

28 minutes ago, Reflected said:

@niksavv or anyone who has this issue can u do me a favor and when the bug happens, open the F10 map, ckick on the Paco who doesn’t want to stop orbiting and take a screenshot of the unit’s name?

Ok I will

[niksavv]

5 hours ago, Reflected said:

@niksavv or anyone who has this issue can u do me a favor and when the bug happens, open the F10 map, ckick on the Paco who doesn’t want to stop orbiting and take a screenshot of the unit’s name?

Ok I will

[Reflected]

I think I found the problem:

To work around AI limitations and make sure bugs don't happen, there are 2 Pacos: one that launches then orbits, and on that orbits and then performs the mission. These 2 are swapped when the player is airborne, and these conditions are met:

1) you used the salute button and see the glove animation - like the briefing tells you to

2) you performed the takeoff checklist and you hear Slick say 'Alright, running up, here's the wipeout' (you need to be in mil power, hooked up to the cat, like IRL)

3) you're faster than 140 knots

Apparently some player, for some reason are not meeting all conditions. If you're trying to join up on a unit called 'Pacodel', then it won't work for sure, because they haven't been swapped. If you follow procedures and checklists, they will.

Edited June 23, 2024 by Reflected

[niksavv]

First image is from players plane second is from pacos plane. Does the different group names mean something?

[Reflected]

4 hours ago, niksavv said:

First image is from players plane second is from pacos plane. Does the different group names mean something?

Thanks! Yepp, just what I thought. It's what I described in my post above yours.

[niksavv]

You where right it was the check list that caused the problem. After completing the full check i can now rendezvous with paco thanks