Meta PCVR. Why don't they listen?

[Qcumber]

1 minute ago, Johnny Dioxin said:

I won't buy Meta any more because I don't like their policies

I like @nikoel's philosophy above. Basically, meta sell their headsets below market cost with the hope we will buy into the meta-verse.

The solution. Buy the hardware. Ignore the software. Then it f***ks up their plans! Especially if you buy a used QP from a disillusioned "metaversee". 

[Aapje]

Well, I think that I more or less know what Valve are working on and it may not be that great for PCVR players (think Steam Deck, but VR).

Edited April 19, 2024 by Aapje

[Dogmanbird]

i'm amazed at what meta has achieved with the q3 for it's price when compared to the other headsets. I'd even be happy with a 'display port only' version of a Q3 packed into the reverb g2 housing, for q3 price.

 

[Qcumber]

10 minutes ago, Dogmanbird said:

i'm amazed at what meta has achieved with the q3 for it's price when compared to the other headsets. I'd even be happy with a 'display port only' version of a Q3 packed into the reverb g2 housing, for q3 price.

 

It does seem an amazing headset. However, I think they sell them lower than true value with the aim of recouping money via the meta store and meta verse. For PCVR players it's a very good deal. Especially if you don't use meta software. Unfortunately, I don't think meta would release a DP only version. That vision died with the rift s. 

[VirusAM]

It does seem an amazing headset. However, I think they sell them lower than true value with the aim of recouping money via the meta store and meta verse. For PCVR players it's a very good deal. Especially if you don't use meta software. Unfortunately, I don't think meta would release a DP only version. That vision died with the rift s. 

A quest S or quest pro 2 with dp enabled on that USB C port would be enough for me to be happy

[Qcumber]

2 minutes ago, VirusAM said:

5 hours ago, Qcumber said:

It does seem an amazing headset. However, I think they sell them lower than true value with the aim of recouping money via the meta store and meta verse. For PCVR players it's a very good deal. Especially if you don't use meta software. Unfortunately, I don't think meta would release a DP only version. That vision died with the rift s. 

A quest S or quest pro 2 with dp enabled on that USB C port would be enough for me to be happy

I hope they do that with the QP2. Give it a thunderbolt port for DP connection. Or offer a QP2 light with DP only and no snapdragon. But I think this is wishful thinking. 

[VirusAM]

https://www.meta.com/it-it/blog/quest/meta-horizon-os-open-hardware-ecosystem-asus-republic-gamers-lenovo-xbox/

Big announcement today

[Qcumber]

7 minutes ago, VirusAM said:

https://www.meta.com/it-it/blog/quest/meta-horizon-os-open-hardware-ecosystem-asus-republic-gamers-lenovo-xbox/

Big announcement today

Very interesting but this looks like it is mainly aimed at standalone vr rather than PCVR. I hope that there are things that can be effectively integrated into DCS. 

[killerquagmire]

On 4/19/2024 at 3:04 AM, Qcumber said:

I have used oculus headsets for about 5 years and meta PCVR has not significantly improved in that time. In reality it has got worse because of no DP support since the rift s. 

OpenXR 1.1 enabled implementation of QVFR but this is something that meta do not appear to be interested in. 

This is not about headsets. The Quest Pro and Quest 3 are great headsets. It is about how meta support PCVR. 

What can we do to get meta to listen and give us a better PCVR experience? 

 

I upgraded from my Rift s to a Quest 3 for PCVR the day it released and it's been nothing short of a nightmare. I have spent more hours troubleshooting than actually playing games and that's no BS. 

Every update they release screws up air link. I finally gave in and purchased virtual desktop and that worked fine until the last update and now that's broken. It's just a mess when it comes to PCVR. Now DCS is just a micro stuttering hell and I'm tired of wasting hours getting it dialed in only to have it broken again with the next update. I'm pretty much shelving my Quest for PCVR at this point. We can only hope that Valve releases a new Index in the not too distant future because there is no future in PCVR gaming with Meta. 

[VirusAM]

9 hours ago, Qcumber said:

Very interesting but this looks like it is mainly aimed at standalone vr rather than PCVR. I hope that there are things that can be effectively integrated into DCS. 

yeah, but this means that any vendor can do an headset without caring about the software, and any vendor can adds whichever port they want.

[Qcumber]

4 hours ago, killerquagmire said:

I upgraded from my Rift s to a Quest 3 for PCVR the day it released and it's been nothing short of a nightmare. I have spent more hours troubleshooting than actually playing games and that's no BS. 

Every update they release screws up air link. I finally gave in and purchased virtual desktop and that worked fine until the last update and now that's broken. It's just a mess when it comes to PCVR. Now DCS is just a micro stuttering hell and I'm tired of wasting hours getting it dialed in only to have it broken again with the next update. I'm pretty much shelving my Quest for PCVR at this point. We can only hope that Valve releases a new Index in the not too distant future because there is no future in PCVR gaming with Meta. 

Sorry you are having such a crap time. I wonder why VD is not working for you. Have you asked for help in the VD discord server?

In terms of PCVR dedicated headsets the pimax crystal light looks interesting. 

[killerquagmire]

10 hours ago, Qcumber said:

Sorry you are having such a crap time. I wonder why VD is not working for you. Have you asked for help in the VD discord server?

In terms of PCVR dedicated headsets the pimax crystal light looks interesting. 

I had it working great but now it's a micro stuttering mess. Not sure if it was the latest DCS update or Meta that's causing it. Before the latest update I had SSW enabled in VD which seemed to smooth out the micro stutters. But now the screen bounces so I had to disable it. Micro stutter is so bad it's not playable.  

Also, I'm stuck in the floor on my PC oculus games when I use VD. Resetting the view in the Quest 3 has no affect. The Quest 3 is just a disaster for PC gaming. Huge disappointment. 

[Qcumber]

31 minutes ago, killerquagmire said:

The Quest 3 is just a disaster for PC gaming. Huge disappointment. 

A lot of people are getting some very good results with the Q3 so hopefully this is solvable. I would advise asking for some help on the VD discord server.

https://discord.com/channels/564087419918483486/586993452185681946

 

[slughead]

On 4/22/2024 at 9:04 PM, Qcumber said:

Very interesting but this looks like it is mainly aimed at standalone vr rather than PCVR. I hope that there are things that can be effectively integrated into DCS. 

It's PCVR too.

[nessuno0505]

I think meta is aiming at selling a standard software, eventually halting hardware production and having only 3rd party to produce headsets (Asus ROG, Lenovo and such).

It does not mean we won't have good headsets both for standalone and PCVR.

Sony itself (the queen of monopoly) is adding PCVR to playstation VR headset. If there's room for making money even meta will improve its PCVR.

That said, my quest 3 (bought recently because my reverb g2 broke) is fine for PCVR. Tested only with link cable since my router is far away from my PC and it's not wifi 6e. I could buy a wifi 6e router, but for now I'm ok with the USB cable.

[slughead]

1 minute ago, nessuno0505 said:

I think meta is aiming at selling a standard software, eventually halting hardware production and having only 3rd party to produce headsets (Asus ROG, Lenovo and such).

Or perhaps a monopoly of VR OS, like Microsoft, by trying to make theirs the defacto OS.

[nessuno0505]

Agree. There's windows for PC, Android for phones but still no unified OS for VR headsets. It's not granted they succeed.

Edited April 23, 2024 by nessuno0505

[Aapje]

SadlyItsBradley thinks that this is because they fear Apple and want to build an alliance against them.

The good news for PCVR users is that Meta doesn't really care about PCVR, so they have little incentive to ask a lot of licensing money from a niche vendor that targets weirdos like us.

[Qcumber]

12 minutes ago, Aapje said:

SadlyItsBradley thinks that this is because they fear Apple and want to build an alliance against them.

The good news for PCVR users is that Meta doesn't really care about PCVR, so they have little incentive to ask a lot of licensing money from a niche vendor that targets weirdos like us.

Well said. I proudly consider myself a niche weirdo. 

[Eugel]

21 hours ago, slughead said:

Or perhaps a monopoly of VR OS, like Microsoft, by trying to make theirs the defacto OS.

That would be my worst nightmare.

[slughead]

Just now, Eugel said:

That would be my worst nightmare.

Microsoft tried... and failed.

[Qcumber]

Pimax look like they are trying deliver what we want, although not quite at the competitive price of meta. 

[Aapje]

4 minutes ago, Eugel said:

That would be my worst nightmare.

The situation in smartphone-land is not that bad, with Google earning billions from Play Store sales, while consumers can easily switch between different hardware-brands, that all run Android.

And you have Apple keeping Google honest and vice versa.

Having something similar in VR-land would probably be better than the current situation, where Meta has a de facto monopoly, with all alternatives being extremely niche products and there being lots of walled gardens.

Edited April 24, 2024 by Aapje