WPN / HAD / HSD bugs & missing/incorrect HOTAS functions

[JTFF - Raph]

Hello aviators,

Here is some bugs to fix and missing features that would be really appreciated by the community  

The firsts points might be fairly easy to patch/add since it is mostly related to HOTAS commands and bindings.

The last one might be more of a change in the navigation system (HSD missing feature).

AGM-88 WPN page overall behavior (BUG) :

• The page should be framed/highlighted when selected as SOI with the DMS (in all modes/submodes)(bug)
• WPN page should save modes and handoff on each station independently (bug)

e.g. Station A is set in POS mode with a submode selected and station B is set in HAS mode
Then cycling stations with MSL STEP should keep configurations instead of applying the same mode/submode to all weapons
The only thing the WPN page is slaved is the active selected steerpoint on DED and it is applied on both stations

• When selected as SOI we should be able to cycle modes POS/HAS/DL with CURSOR ENABLE (maybe not DL because not implemented)(missing) 

AGM-88 WPN page in POS mode (MISSING) :

• When WPN page in POS mode is selected as SOI we should be able to cycle between submodes EOM/PB/RUK with PINKY SWITCH or TMS UP LONG (missing)
• TMS RIGHT cycles between threat tables (implemented), TMS LEFT cycles threat selected in the current table (missing)

HAD page (MISSING) :

• We should be able to cycle manually POS sub modes EOM/PB/RUK with TMS UP LONG with OR without a handoff (partially implemented only with a handoff)
• The HAD should select automatically the submode used depending on PGM quality, unless you decide to cycle manually to change it (missing)

HSD (MISSING) :

• Theat circles should be stored as steerpoints 
• TMS up on a SAM threat on the HSD should select it as a steerpoint

This one is related to this post from last year :

 

It would be amazing to see it in next hotfixes !

I cross checked with the aircraft manual, correct me if I wrote something wrong.

Thank you for your hard work.

Kind regards

Edited April 24, 2024 by JTFF - Raph

[Nealius]

On 4/24/2024 at 11:22 PM, JTFF - Raph said:

TMS RIGHT cycles between threat tables (implemented), TMS LEFT cycles threat selected in the current table (missing)

I believe this one may be backwards. Testing today, TMS LEFT cycles threat tables (implemented), but TMS RIGHT cycles selected threat (missing).

[JTFF - Raph]

Any news regarding the HOTAS implementation and bugs please ?

[Lord Vader]

Hello @JTFF - Raph

Thank you for this list, appreciate your effort. 

On 4/24/2024 at 3:22 PM, JTFF - Raph said:

• The page should be framed/highlighted when selected as SOI with the DMS (in all modes/submodes)(bug)

This is a known issue but only with POS mode, we have it listed for futures updates.

On 4/24/2024 at 3:22 PM, JTFF - Raph said:

• When selected as SOI we should be able to cycle modes POS/HAS/DL with CURSOR ENABLE (maybe not DL because not implemented)(missing) 
• When WPN page in POS mode is selected as SOI we should be able to cycle between submodes EOM/PB/RUK with PINKY SWITCH or TMS UP LONG (missing)
• TMS RIGHT cycles between threat tables (implemented), TMS LEFT cycles threat selected in the current table (missing)

On the last one, it's the other way around, TMS Left cycles the three threat tables. TMS Right missing and other HOTAS commands were reported.

On 4/24/2024 at 3:22 PM, JTFF - Raph said:

• We should be able to cycle manually POS sub modes EOM/PB/RUK with TMS UP LONG with OR without a handoff (partially implemented only with a handoff)

We're investigating this, indeed it's not allowing the cycle without a handoff.

On 4/24/2024 at 3:22 PM, JTFF - Raph said:

• WPN page should save modes and handoff on each station independently (bug)
• The HAD should select automatically the submode used depending on PGM quality, unless you decide to cycle manually to change it (missing)

We need to verify these points based on proper documented evidence for the F-16C Block 50 CCIP we're trying to simulate.
Can you please send @BIGNEWY via private message any references about these individual issues listed above?

On 4/24/2024 at 3:22 PM, JTFF - Raph said:

• Theat circles should be stored as steerpoints 
• TMS up on a SAM threat on the HSD should select it as a steerpoint

These items have been previously requested for future improvements and we're working on them along with several other pre-selected or preset items.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi 

please send me an public unclassified evidence in a DM as vader says. 

Its best to keep one issue per thread as things just get complicated. 

thank you