Intel Baseline Profile for 13th/14th gen?

[AngleOff66]

So looks another chip maker/mb maker disconnect?

video by buildzoid, GN, HUB etc have done videos as well.  Buildzoid looked at various mb on his channel.  Considering the cost of cpu, mb, why cant intel and amd get their acts into gear?

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by AngleOff66

[LucShep]

As the saying goes... "We risk all in being too greedy." 

For years (since Intel 8th gen, I believe) that the manufacturers were left loose by Intel with their own crazy "Multi Core Enhancements" - and then adopting such as "defaults" on each of their motherboards.

12th gen "Alder Lake" was a great release, and back to form for Intel. Then followed by 13th gen "Raptor Lake", which was already stupid in regards to power consumption.
14th gen being just a "Raptor Lake" refresh shouldn't have happened at all (only released because Meteor Lake wasn't desktop worthy). 

If we then add to the fact that the chips are getting more complex, sensitive and power hungrier with every new release, and with BIOS updates insanely more frequent as well, it's then no surprise that this horse manure happens, with Intel and AMD as well.

Fortunately, this is fairly easy to correct (and then to forget?), but it's an alarming issue regardless. 

Makes one wonder how smooth things will go - or what shenanigans will occur - with AMD Zen5 and Intel 15th gen releases sometime later this year. 

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by LucShep

[BitMaster]

One more reason to not buy the newest chips and chipsets right after release. 

The least that I need are BSOD's while in the middle of my work, rather 200MHz slower but stable.

 

[SharpeXB]

FWIW I’ve used both these chips without trouble although I guess I can’t say that about the 13900K since it went kablooey. Due to overclocking? Who knows… The 14900KS is stellar and runs big multiplayer Syria missions at 140 FPS. I used the default setting in the ASUS BIOS along with “Disabled - Enforce All Limits” for ASUS MultiCore Enhancement. No overclocking this time

Edited May 14, 2024 by SharpeXB

[72westy]

Choose the 'Boxed cooler' setting within the BIOS and the board will default to the Intel suggestions.

Edited May 14, 2024 by 72westy

[LucShep]

On 5/14/2024 at 2:09 PM, SharpeXB said:

I used the default setting in the ASUS BIOS along with “Disabled - Enforce All Limits” for ASUS MultiCore Enhancement. No overclocking this time

 

Careful with ASUS settings after Bios update (which is recommended to do), check the video below.

Remains to be seen which other manufacturers are not following Intel's chart memo....
 

 

Edited May 16, 2024 by LucShep

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, LucShep said:

Careful with ASUS settings after Bios update (which is recommended to do)

Interesting. I did get the BIOS update and disable ME, the rest I could run by my vendor tech support I suppose. The 14900KS Cinebench score is fine on my system though. 

Edited May 16, 2024 by SharpeXB

[LucShep]

6 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Interesting. I did get the BIOS update and disable ME, the rest I could run by my vendor tech support I suppose. The 14900KS Cinebench score is fine on my system though. 

 

Nope, that's not enough. There are more BIOS settings that are not correct, need amendment.
Load "Intel Baseline Profile" (then Save + Exit BIOS).
After that (as optional), reboot and enter BIOS again, manually apply either 307A (Performance) or 400A (Extreme) in the ICCMax for 13900 and 14900 K/KF/KS (then Save + Exit BIOS).  Check the video again at about 4:25, and there on.

Edited May 16, 2024 by LucShep

[SharpeXB]

1 minute ago, LucShep said:

Nope, that's not enough. There are more BIOS settings that are not correct, need amendment.
Check the video again at about 4:25, and there on.

 

Yeah I saw that. Again if I feel like reaching out to the vendor support I might. So far their recommendation was just the ME. I saw ASUS recommend that as well. 

[LucShep]

15 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Yeah I saw that. Again if I feel like reaching out to the vendor support I might. So far their recommendation was just the ME. I saw ASUS recommend that as well. 

Yeah, I get you. If you can get the support, then sure get it.

It's confusing and needn't be. There should be a friggin simple "SET THIS TO THAT" for people that are a little confused on all this.
Some I suspect are even on a replacement 13900/14900 K/KF/KS already (like you are) and worrying that problems may arise again.
 

[SharpeXB]

15 minutes ago, LucShep said:

Some I suspect are even on a replacement 13900/14900 K/KF/KS already (like you are) and worrying that problems may arise again.

Yeah I’m curious why the 13900K went kaput although it was indeed overclocked but still with ME disabled. I won’t bother with oc’ing the 14 until maybe late in its life when it needs a boost. It doesn’t need one now. 

[LucShep]

11 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Yeah I’m curious why the 13900K went kaput although it was indeed overclocked but still with ME disabled. I won’t bother with oc’ing the 14 until maybe late in its life when it needs a boost. It doesn’t need one now. 

Just speculation from my part but, having MCE enable, CEP disabled, and ICCmax at 511A(!!!) like these ASUS boards seem to be as "default" for a completely stock (non OC'ed) 13900 and 14900 K/KF/KS, seems too much a risk even without overclocking. You would have problems regardless, I think.
 

Edited May 16, 2024 by LucShep