MiG-29 all versions, Damper does not work properly at high speed!

[Irisz]

Hello dear Fulcrum fans!

 

I made a couple of track files where I show this problem! I've had this game-breaking problem with every version of the MiG-29! I show several times that the MiG-29 cannot be flown at high speed because the Damper does not work above about 1500km/h! You can see how I want to dodge the AMRAAM at high speed, but the Damper does not protect the airframe and it breaks apart!

I did such a evasive maneuver with a high G load under both Su-27 and Su-33 and I pulled the joystick separately so that you can see that it works fine here and the aircraft does not break apart at high G load.

For me this problem is frustrating and I can't fly such high speed tactics because of it!

I have attached the files below so you can see them!

 

MiG-29 Damper not working 1.trk

MiG-29 Damper not working 2.trk

MiG-29 Damper not working 3.trk

Su-27 working fine.trk

Su-33 working fine.trk

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[Ironhand]

I watched the MiG-20 TRK files and you fail to control your G loading, since the -29 doesn't have a G-limiter as the Flankers do. That's not the damper's function. That's why it's not referred to as a G-limiter. It's there to keep AoA, pitch, and yaw within acceptable limits. You can especially see it attempting to do just that in the 3rd track as it repeatedly tried to neutralize the stick as the limits were exceeded.

[Irisz]

26 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

Megnéztem a MiG-20 TRK fájljait, és nem tudod szabályozni a G terhelést, mivel a -29-nek nincs G-limiterje, mint a Flankereknek. Nem ez a csappantyú funkciója. Ezért nem nevezik G-limiternek. Ez azért van, hogy az AoA-t, a pitch-et és a yaw-t az elfogadható határokon belül tartsa. Főleg a 3. pályán lehet látni, ahogy ezt próbálta megtenni, ahogy többször is megpróbálta semlegesíteni a botot, mivel túllépték a határokat.

I consider it problematic that the MiG-29 can fly at 2,500 km/h, it is dangerous to fly above 1,500 km/h because the airframe will tear apart! You should somehow prove that this is the case in reality. For me, this behavior shows that the Damper is not simulated above 1500 - 1600km/h! Damper means damping, the system pushes the joystick back in critical situations, that is, I think you should limit the joystick even at such high speeds because the airframe will break.

Do you think it is reasonable that above 1500 km/h there is no equipment to protect the pilot's life in an airplane capable of 2500 km/h if you panic?

It took years before they realized that the springing of the nose wheel was too strong. This is also such a problem!

Sitting in an armchair in this simulator, I don't think anyone can tell when you pass the 9G load without looking at the accelerometer, especially if they even launch a missile at you! Unfortunately, Damper malfunctioning will ruin your game. On the Growling Sidewinder server I died three times because of this.

 

I would be more happy with the opinion of a real MiG-29 pilot because there are real MiG pilots here on the forum!

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[draconus]

22 minutes ago, Irisz said:

Do you think it is reasonable that above 1500 km/h there is no equipment to protect the pilot's life in an airplane capable of 2500 km/h if you panic?

Apparently there is no G limiter installed and the damper is not designed for this (DCS MiG-29 manual p. 34). There are many fast jets without limiters - take F-14A/B and F-15C/E as examples.

Don't hamfist the stick, be gentle and you'll stay in one piece. No sane pilot would yank it when supersonic.

If you think it's wrong it is on you to provide the necessary data.

Edited May 21, 2024 by draconus

[Irisz]

FMOptionsMiG29.lua

stbsk_k_aoa            = 1.0
stbsk_k_1            = 1.0
stbsk_pwr            = 1.5

cs_wz_DampK            = 2.25

hyd_sp_k            = 1

Explanation!

Stability and Control Parameters

• stbsk_k_aoa = 1.0: This is likely a coefficient related to the stability or control influenced by the angle of attack (AoA).
• stbsk_k_1 = 1.0: This is a general stability or control coefficient, which might affect stability in a specific dimension or context.
• stbsk_pwr = 1.5: This variable probably indicates the power or influence level of the stability system.

Damping and Hydraulic Parameters

• cs_wz_DampK = 2.25: This is the damping coefficient for wz (likely an angular velocity component). It determines how much the system damps oscillations or vibrations in this component.
• hyd_sp_k = 1: This is a hydraulic system parameter, likely a scaling coefficient. It influences the response or performance of the hydraulic system.

Explanation

The code aims to set parameters for an aerodynamic or vehicle dynamics model. These parameters control the system's stability, control, and damping characteristics. Each variable represents different physical attributes and influencing factors:

• The stbsk_k_aoa, stbsk_k_1, and stbsk_pwr variables likely regulate the stability characteristics and performance of the system.
• The cs_wz_DampK variable defines the system's damping characteristics, which are crucial for damping oscillations and vibrations.
• The hyd_sp_k variable scales the response or performance of the hydraulic system, which might be important for operating control surfaces, for example.

Overall, these parameters fine-tune the aerodynamic and dynamic behavior of the vehicle or system, ensuring the desired performance and stability.

 

FMOptionsSu27.lua

cs_Kwz_g = 3.8*0.7           -- ę-ň äĺěďôĺđŕ ďđč âűďóů.řŕńńč (Kny = 0)
cs_q_ny_max = 17000        -- 4 ňî÷ęč äë˙ ëîěŕíîé ęđčâîé ę-ňŕ ďĺđĺăđóçęč ďî ńęîđîńňíîěó íŕďîđó
cs_q_ny_min = 1600        
cs_Kny_max = 0.15
cs_Kny_min = 0.031        
cs_q_wz_max = 26000        -- 4 ňî÷ęč äë˙ ëîěŕíîé ęđčâîé ę-ňŕ äĺěďôĺđŕ ďî ńęîđîńňíîěó íŕďîđó
cs_q_wz_min = 2000        
cs_Kwz_max = 0.72
cs_Kwz_min = 0.4        

cs_q_nz_max = 17000        -- âńĺ ňî ćĺ ńŕěîĺ äë˙ ďóňĺâîăî ęŕíŕëŕ
cs_q_nz_min = 2000        
cs_Knz_max = 0.3*1
cs_Knz_min = 0.1    *1    
cs_q_wy_max = 26000    
cs_q_wy_min = 2000        
cs_Kwy_max = 1.9
cs_Kwy_min = 0.5    

-- ę-ňű ÎĎĐ (ÔÔÁ äćîéńňčę)
cs_shakeAoA0 = 23    -- ÓŔ íŕ÷ŕëŕ ňđ˙ńęč [ăđŕä]
cs_shakeAoA1 = 27    -- ÓŔ ěŕęńčěŕëüíîé ňđ˙ńęč
cs_shakeNy0 = 7.5    -- ďĺđĺăđóçęŕ íŕ÷ŕëŕ ňđ˙ńęč
cs_shakeNy1 = 8.5    -- ďĺđĺăđóçęŕ ěŕęńčěŕëüíîé ňđ˙ńęč
cs_shakeKdAoA = 10*0    -- ę-ň óďđĺćäĺíč˙ (óěĺíüřĺíč˙ ÓŔ ňđ˙ńęč íŕ KdAoA*wz)
cs_shakeKdNy = 3*0    -- óďđĺćäĺíčĺ ďî ďĺđĺăđóçęĺ
cs_shakeAmpl = 0.4
cs_shakeFreq = 10

 

Explanation!

Pressure and Coefficient Parameters

• cs_Kwz_g = 3.8 * 0.7: This defines a constant value likely related to the speed and pressure ratio. The comment suggests it is associated with some specific condition (Kny = 0).

• cs_q_ny_max = 17000: Maximum pressure ratio for a specific condition, probably during high-speed maneuvers.

• cs_q_ny_min = 1600: Minimum pressure ratio for the same condition.

• cs_Kny_max = 0.15: Maximum value of a coefficient related to the pressure ratio.

• cs_Kny_min = 0.031: Minimum value of the same coefficient.

• cs_q_wz_max = 26000: Maximum pressure ratio for another condition.

• cs_q_wz_min = 2000: Minimum pressure ratio for the same condition.

• cs_Kwz_max = 0.72: Maximum value of another coefficient related to the pressure ratio.

• cs_Kwz_min = 0.4: Minimum value of the same coefficient.

• cs_q_nz_max = 17000: Maximum pressure ratio for a different condition (likely the travel channel).

• cs_q_nz_min = 2000: Minimum pressure ratio for the travel channel.

• cs_Knz_max = 0.3 * 1: Maximum value of a coefficient for the travel channel.

• cs_Knz_min = 0.1 * 1: Minimum value of the same coefficient.

• cs_q_wy_max = 26000: Maximum pressure ratio for yet another condition.

• cs_q_wy_min = 2000: Minimum pressure ratio for the same condition.

• cs_Kwy_max = 1.9: Maximum value of a coefficient for this condition.

• cs_Kwy_min = 0.5: Minimum value of the same coefficient.

Vibration and Shake Parameters

• cs_shakeAoA0 = 23: Angle of attack (AoA) at the start of shaking [degrees].

• cs_shakeAoA1 = 27: Angle of attack at maximum shaking [degrees].

• cs_shakeNy0 = 7.5: Load factor at the start of shaking.

• cs_shakeNy1 = 8.5: Load factor at maximum shaking.

• cs_shakeKdAoA = 10 * 0: Coefficient for predicting (reducing) the AoA shaking using KdAoA * wz.

• cs_shakeKdNy = 3 * 0: Prediction for the load factor.

• cs_shakeAmpl = 0.4: Amplitude of the shaking.

• cs_shakeFreq = 10: Frequency of the shaking.

Explanation

This code sets various parameters for an aerodynamic model, focusing on pressure ratios, stability coefficients, and vibration characteristics:

1. Pressure Ratios and Coefficients:

   • Parameters like cs_q_ny_max, cs_q_ny_min, cs_Kny_max, and cs_Kny_min are used to define the maximum and minimum pressure ratios and their associated coefficients under different conditions.
   • Similar sets of parameters (cs_q_wz_max, cs_q_wz_min, etc.) are defined for other conditions, indicating that the model accounts for various operational states.

2. Vibration and Shaking:

   • Parameters like cs_shakeAoA0, cs_shakeAoA1, cs_shakeNy0, and cs_shakeNy1 define the onset and maximum values for shaking related to the angle of attack and load factor.
   • cs_shakeKdAoA and cs_shakeKdNy are coefficients that predict the shaking behavior.
   • cs_shakeAmpl and cs_shakeFreq define the amplitude and frequency of the shaking.

These parameters are crucial for accurately simulating and understanding the aerodynamic performance and stability of the vehicle, ensuring that it can handle different operational conditions safely and efficiently.

The provided code snippet does not contain a direct G-limiter. However, certain parameters, such as stbsk_k_aoa and stbsk_k_1, representing coefficients of stability and control, as well as hyd_sp_k, a parameter of the hydraulic system, may indirectly influence the aircraft's load and, consequently, the operation of a G-limiter.

Simple! The FM of the Su-27 has a G limiter and protects the pilot's life! And the MiG-29 doesn't have it, so you will die in the MiG-29 because nothing protects you above 12 G load. I think everyone agrees that no one designs an airplane like this, which is deadly for the pilot!

 

I am waiting for an answer from a real MiG-29 pilot or developer! I am grateful to everyone who wants to help!

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[draconus]

5 minutes ago, Irisz said:

I think everyone agrees that no one designs an airplane like this, which is deadly for the pilot!

This is where you're very wrong. Like I said - there are many fast fighter jets without G limiters. IRL the stick will need more force to be pulled but it's totally possible to break the aircraft.

[Ironhand]

40 minutes ago, Irisz said:

You should somehow prove that this is the case in reality.

It's not up to me to prove. You claim it has a G-limiter. If you have a source, please provide it.

OTOH, download the German Mig-29 Manual (in English) available on the web and refer to pages 1-67 and 1-68.

 

[Irisz]

30 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

Nem nekem kell bizonyítanom. Azt állítod, hogy G-limiter van benne. Ha van forrásod, kérlek add meg.

OTOH, töltse le a német Mig-29 kézikönyvet (angol nyelven), amely elérhető az interneten, és olvassa el az 1-67 és 1-68 oldalakat.

 

Here are the load and AoA graphs from the MiG-29 flight manual (or more precisely, its 'Practical aerodynamics' part).

The upper graph shows the G limits!

One might notice that the official supersonic load limit is 7 rather than 7.5. I'm not sure why is the gauge showing 7.5.

The curves indicate loads and AoA that are actually achievable at different altitudes (in km). The boundaries are labelled 'structural limits' (on the top) and 'control system limiter settings' (for alpha).

The text explains:

• The load applies to the mass 14200 kg, whether with or without missiles. For higher mass, the load limit is reduced by 1 g.
• The lower supersonic limit is explained by the lift losses for trim. (MiG-29 is marginally stable at low speed, but (like nearly any aircraft) is highly stable at supersonic speeds, and part of the wing lift must be used to counteract the strong tail downforce).
• At M > 0.85, the leading edge droop flaps are stowed, which limits AoA at 15°. At lower speeds, the flaps expand the AoA limit significantly. (There may be further limits; e.g. 13° with a failed SAS (stability augmentation system)).

 

 

I didn't even have to search for 5 minutes! So the G limiter is not implemented in DCS World and my bug report is important because the game is unplayable above 1500 km/h if I want to fly with a high G load!

 

I am grateful that the forum is full of such helpful people. Criticism always moves you forward! I hope they solve this problem at some point!

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[Ironhand]

3 minutes ago, Irisz said:

Here are the load and AoA graphs from the MiG-29 flight manual (or more precisely, its 'Practical aerodynamics' part).

One might notice that the official supersonic load limit is 7 rather than 7.5. I'm not sure why is the gauge showing 7.5.

The curves indicate loads and AoA that are actually achievable at different altitudes (in km). The boundaries are labelled 'structural limits' (on the top) and 'control system limiter settings' (for alpha).

The text explains:

• The load applies to the mass 14200 kg, whether with or without missiles. For higher mass, the load limit is reduced by 1 g.
• The lower supersonic limit is explained by the lift losses for trim. (MiG-29 is marginally stable at low speed, but (like nearly any aircraft) is highly stable at supersonic speeds, and part of the wing lift must be used to counteract the strong tail downforce).
• At M > 0.85, the leading edge droop flaps are stowed, which limits AoA at 15°. At lower speeds, the flaps expand the AoA limit significantly. (There may be further limits; e.g. 13° with a failed SAS (stability augmentation system)).

 

 

I didn't even have to search for 5 minutes! So the G limiter is not implemented in DCS World and my bug report is important because the game is unplayable above 1500 km/h if I want to fly with a high G load!

Where in there does it stipulate that the damper limits it to those numbers? The G-loading chart is simply indicating the load limits for maintaining the structural longevity of the aircraft at various Mach numbers and altitudes.

[Irisz]

15 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

Hol írja elő, hogy a lengéscsillapító ezekre a számokra korlátozza? A G-terhelési diagram egyszerűen a terhelési korlátokat jelzi a repülőgép szerkezeti élettartamának fenntartásához különböző Mach-számokon és magasságokon.

You can see the 9 and 7 G lines on the top graph as you move up in speed! This is not the case with the DCS World MiG-29, you can pull the joystick indefinitely until the plane breaks apart!

MiG-29 AoA Indicator and Accelerometer Youtube video

I don't think the red parts were invented for decoration! Only the AoA limit is implemented in DCS World, you can see it above, I copied the MiG-29 and Su-27 FM lua, and the MiG-29 has no G limit, only AoA limit!

 

• Take this with a grain of salt as I don't have a source, but 7.5 might be the G limit in air-to-ground configuration, and 9G is the limit in clean or air-to-air configuarion

   
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  The Mig will be like any other jet limit only 5.5 in air to ground because of the pylons

   
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  There is 7.5rated but could go 9G if you want occasionally.

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  15 degrees is a typical stalling AOA for an airfoil (generally 13 - 16 degrees), so that's not unusual at all. The G meter, hard so say why there are two marks beyond something like an operational limit and ultimate limit. You will exceed stalling AOA at max G if are at or below Maneuvering Speed. If you're going at top speed and you pull, you will hit max G long before AOA gets to 15 deg.

   

  Yes I agree with that. I would bet the small tick mark is a limit with stores and the fat one without.

   

  Here, too, these G limits are discussed, and the Graph shows this!

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[draconus]

8 minutes ago, Irisz said:

MiG-29 AoA Indicator and Accelerometer Youtube video

Did you even read the description of the video?

The G limits are there to respect them so you won't find much videos of anyone exceeding them. It doesn't mean the aircraft can't go beyond the red marks. Even in aircraft with G limiters you can turn off the system and break the airframe.

41 minutes ago, Irisz said:

I hope they solve this problem at some point!

It's nice that you "solved" the case for yourself but there is no problem in DCS. It'd be better for you to learn to fly within the G limits as IRL pilots do. It's harder without the big forces on the stick but still possible, far from "unplayable".

Edited May 21, 2024 by draconus

[Ironhand]

15 minutes ago, Irisz said:

You can see the 9 and 7 G lines on the top graph as you move up in speed! This is not the case with the DCS World MiG-29, you can pull the joystick indefinitely until the plane breaks apart!...

...I don't think the red parts were invented for decoration! Only the AoA limit is implemented in DCS World, you can see it above, I copied the MiG-29 and Su-27 FM lua, and the MiG-29 has no G limit, only AoA limit!...

That's because, as you note, the MiG-29 does not have a G-limiter. That's true both in the sim and the real aircraft.

And, yes, if you pull too many Gs, bad things can happen like in your third track where you pulled 18Gs repeatedly.

EDIT: That video you linked where the Canon camera was being tested for performance at 7 Gs. What was that supposed to prove, exactly?

Edited May 21, 2024 by Ironhand

[Irisz]

7 perccel ezelőtt Ironhand azt mondta:

Ennek az az oka, hogy amint megjegyzi, a MiG-29-ben nincs G-limiter. Ez igaz a sim-re és a valódi repülőgépekre is.

És igen, ha túl sok G-t húzol, akkor rossz dolgok történhetnek, mint például a harmadik számban, ahol ismételten 18G-t húztál.

It has already been mentioned several times that a compromise is needed in the simulator, if there is no G limiter on the MiG-29 in the future, I will not fly with it anymore! No one is going to spend thousands of dollars for a single MiG-29. There is enough debate about how viable the MiG-29 is!

I'm probably getting advice from people who fly from A to B in single player and practice landing, I'm a player who actively plays on PvP servers and I've been destroyed three times because of this problem. 1 out of 10 virtual pilots fly high-altitude, high-speed tactics. If I flew low at 1000 km/h, this problem would never be revealed!

That's why the Su-27 is better in everything!

[Volator]

4 hours ago, Irisz said:

the Damper does not protect the airframe

I have the original East German AF MiG-29 flight manual here on my desk, and it doesn't say anything about dampers providing over-G protection. In fact it states that above a certain speed, manoeuvers are limited by the limits of the airframe. That tells me that you can break the aircraft if you pull too hard at high speeds.

Edited May 21, 2024 by Volator

[Irisz]

A developer will respond at some point! I don't think anyone here is a professional MiG-29 pilot, I can be smart too if I want to! I have given enough feedback on the topic!

Thank you all for your help!

[Volator]

5 minutes ago, Irisz said:

A developer will respond at some point!

Don't count on it.

Farewell.

[Irisz]

The MiG-29 has hydraulic controls and a SAU-451 three-axis autopilot but, unlike the Su-27, no fly-by-wire control system. Nonetheless, it is very agile, with excellent instantaneous and sustained turn performance, high-alpha capability, and a general resistance to spins. The airframe consists primarily of aluminium with some composite materials and is stressed for up to 9 g (88 m/s²) manoeuvres. The controls have "soft" limiters to prevent the pilot from exceeding g and alpha limits, but the limiters can be disabled manually.

[Ironhand]

23 minutes ago, Irisz said:

...I'm probably getting advice from people who fly from A to B in single player and practice landing,...

And also from people who rely on the real world manuals.

[Irisz]

8 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

And also from people who rely on the real world manuals.

The MiG-29 has hydraulic controls and a SAU-451 three-axis autopilot but, unlike the Su-27, no fly-by-wire control system. Nonetheless, it is very agile, with excellent instantaneous and sustained turn performance, high-alpha capability, and a general resistance to spins. The airframe consists primarily of aluminium with some composite materials and is stressed for up to 9 g (88 m/s²) manoeuvres. The controls have "soft" limiters to prevent the pilot from exceeding g and alpha limits, but the limiters can be disabled manually.

 

Those who think that they can publicly access Russian Soviet military secrets. Where only those documents are published that do not result in prison. At the same time, I published 2 proofs that talk about the limiter, and the others state things, not proofs!
I know you want to prove it, but only a real MiG-29 pilot can do it, there is one on the forum!

 

If possible, please describe the operation of the SAU 451 in detail!

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[Irisz]

Четвертый опытный (и пятый по счету) самолет, получивший №917, строился с учетом замечаний по первым прототипам. Сборка машины завершилась в сентябре 1979 г., а первый вылет состоялся 15 декабря 1979 г. Этот экземпляр предназначался для определения летно-технических характеристик, характеристик устойчивости и управляемости, отработки системы автоматического управления САУ-451-01. В 1980 г. он был предъявлен на этап «А» ГСИ. В процессе испытаний на 917-м несколько раз подвергалась доработкам система управления. В августе 1982 г. после выполнения 143 полетов самолет был отправлен на завод для оснащения дифференциально отклоняемым стабилизатором (до этого у всех МиГ-29 управление по крену осуществлялось только с помощью элеронов). Облет самолета №917 с новой системой поперечного управления состоялся 21 сентября 1982 г. В 1983-1984 гг. МиГ-29 №917 участвовал в программе специальных летных испытаний по улучшению маневренности и управляемости истребителя на больших углах атаки, о которых рассказано ниже.

 

The fourth pilot (and fifth, by the way) aircraft, which received No. 917, was built in accordance with the remarks on the first prototypes. Assembly of the car was completed in September 1979, and the first flight took place on December 15, 1979. This sample is intended for the determination of summer-technical characteristics, characteristics of stability and handling, development of automatic control system САУ-451-01. В 1980 г. он был предъявлен на етап «А» ГСИ. During the testing of the 917, the control system was modified several times. В августе 1982 г. After completing 143 flights, the aircraft was sent to the factory to be equipped with a differentially deflected stabilizer (until that time, all MiG-29s had roll control only with the help of ailerons). Облет самолетна №917 с новый систем паравсленого управление состоялся 21 сентября 1982 г. В 1983-1984 MiG-29 №917 participated in the program of special flight tests to improve the maneuverability and controllability of the fighter at large angles of attack, which are described below.

 

If it doesn't have a G limiter, why do you have to deal with the characteristics of stability and handling?

I'm at proof 3!

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[Irisz]

В состав системы СОС-3 входят:

1.БВК-1 - блок вычисления и коммутации;

2. ДАУ-72-1 - датчик углов атаки;

3. ДАУ-72-2 - датчик углов атаки;

4. ДП1-ЗМ - датчик перегрузок;

5. СЧМ-1-0.45 - сигнализатор числа М - 2 шт.;

6. СЧМ-1-0.8 - сигнализатор числа М;

7. ВК2-200Р - концевой выключатель - 2 шт.;

8. УАП-6 - указатель углов атаки и перегрузки;

9. КНР - кнопка "КОНТРОЛЬ СОС";

10.ТС-5М - табло светосигнальное - 2 шт.;

11.773700 - электрогидравлический распределитель (ЭГР1-ЭГР4) - 4 шт.;

12.773900 - электрогидравлический распределитель (ЭГР5);

13.Гидроцилиндр со штоком ограничения хода ручки управления.

 

The SOS-3 system includes:

1.BVK-1 - calculation and switching unit;

2. DAU-72-1 - angle of attack sensor;

3. DAU-72-2 - angle of attack sensor;

4. DP1-ZM - overload sensor;

5. SChM-1-0.45 - M number indicator - 2 pcs.;

6. SChM-1-0.8 - M number indicator;

7. VK2-200R - limit switch - 2 pcs.;

8. UAP-6 - angle of attack and overload indicator;

9. PRC - "SOS CONTROL" button;

10.TS-5M - light signal board - 2 pcs.;

11.773700 - electrohydraulic distributor (EGR1-EGR4) - 4 pcs.;

12.773900 - electrohydraulic distributor (EGR5);

13.Hydraulic cylinder with a rod for limiting the stroke of the control handle.

 

It is actually the SOS 3 system, not the SAU 451! The SAU 451 controls the autopilot!

You can read more about the flight safety system of the MiG-29 in Russian here, Chapter 2. SOS flight safety enhancement system: https://studfile.net/preview/2137820/page:6/

For my part, I looked up everything I could, thank you once again for your patience!

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[Ironhand]

The damper is a part of the AFCS (SAU 451). The SOS-3 is simply the system showing you what your AoA and G are. It doesn't limit a blessed thing.

[Irisz]

1 hour ago, Ironhand said:

The damper is a part of the AFCS (SAU 451). The SOS-3 is simply the system showing you what your AoA and G are. It doesn't limit a blessed thing.

Could you show me how to perform an Split S maneuver started down at 7500 meters at a speed of 2000km/h?

By the way, the fault could also be found here in how well the Damper works. Because above 1500km/h it doesn't really dampen anything. Because when I perform the defensive maneuver to defend myself, the Damper didn't really want to keep the plane stable and in principle that would be its task.

Damper may work well during landing, but there are people who also play air combat and not just boring skill-building exercises.

Maybe it's better not to deal with this MiG-29, if it was NATO equipment, they would have reacted long ago. Now the F4 Phantom hype is important to create the new FOMO to divert attention from other products and the problems it suffers from.

So, if possible, delete the topic, I lost the desire to work here for free because you have to wait years for any repairs that are not NATO equipment. I dare to risk that this will be fixed when the clickable cockpit MiG-29 appears. Until then, stand on one leg!

Sorry if it's offensive, but over the years I've gotten tired of NATO products always being given priority. They have no intention of taking steps forward, while they know what problems the REDfor community is suffering from! I delete the MiG-29 input settings, there are still masochists who like to try hard against AMRAAM carriers without datalink! I won't be one of them, Flanker is true love!

The topic can be deleted!

Edited May 21, 2024 by Irisz

[Ironhand]

41 minutes ago, Irisz said:

Could you show me how to perform an Split S maneuver started down at 7500 meters at a speed of 2000km/h?

Sure. But you'll have to disable "G effects" to do it. Otherwise you'll black out and hit the ground before you can complete it. I took control of your "MiG-29 Damper not working 3" track.  7500m and 2000 km/hr. See attached.

Split-S.trk

[Rifter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uKCnIdXKPQ
Fred "Spanky" Clifton flew the Mig-29. He says there was no G-Limiter.
‘I could pull the black out of the stick and bend the airplane’ - around 28:10 in the video.