Better EW and IADs

[upyr1]

 I understand due to the nature of EW some things will never be modeled, however, I know some time ago there was talk about an EW/IADS module. I know that's gone silent, however I'd love to see something worked out so we could have AI jammers, Wild Weasels and a better AID 

  

[Kvek]

This is urgently needed

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, Kvek said:

This is urgently needed

My choice for the first Jammer would be the EA-3 and EA-6B 

[Northstar98]

Yeah, IADS is sorely needed - even if it just meant AI groups communicating with each other.

Right now, without this functionality, I can't even set up how an S-300PS would normally be deployed IRL, i.e:

• Have a group consisting of 1 5K56S PBU and 1 5N64S RLO [Big Bird-B] (+ the RLO's 5S17/18-equipped MAZ-7410 tractor), this consistutes the command and control element. This will in turn control:
• 2-6 missile batteries (2-3 for a regiment, 5-6 for a brigade), each containing:
  • A 5N63S RPN [Flap Lid-B]
  • Up to 4 launcher platoons, each consisting of:
    • 1 5P85S TEL
    • Up to 2 5P85D TELs
  • A 5N66M NVO [Clam Shell]

I'd ideally want them in separate groups, because this enables shoot-and-scoot mechanics without the whole regiment/brigade sharing the same waypoints (vastly constricting my options, if not making it outright impossible) and making it easier to separate the missile batteries for triggers.

I currently can't do this without having the whole brigade/regiment as one group, which also leads to missiles fired by one battery guided by the radar of another, even if distantly separated and if the firing battery doesn't have line-of-sight to the target. IADS functionality would enable me to set this up properly, while having desireable shoot-and-scoot mechanics.

The Patriot suffers from a similar issue and that also already has higher echelon elements (such as the AN/MSQ-116 ICC and the OE-349/MRC AMG).

 

Ideally though IADS functionality should be at the brigade level and should integrate EWRs, interceptors/DCA aircraft and things like SAM sites and have them coordinate with each other. There are also other SAM improvements like no-fire sectors, primary and secondary target lines (for things like Patriot), ARM decoys etc. A "detected in zone by unit" condition would also be fantastic for influencing things like EMCON.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Northstar98
Minor addendum

[Gierasimov]

For sure @Northstar98 this would be another level of DCS experience. I can't see how it could be implemented right now without rewriting entire AI from scratch. 

I am looking forward to see what will Dynamic Campaign Engine bring but I am affraid it will be yet another Early Access Work In Progress product with shutdown cache / start where you left off kind of thing experience. 

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, Gierasimov said:

For sure @Northstar98 this would be another level of DCS experience. I can't see how it could be implemented right now without rewriting entire AI from scratch. 

I am looking forward to see what will Dynamic Campaign Engine bring but I am affraid it will be yet another Early Access Work In Progress product with shutdown cache / start where you left off kind of thing experience. 

Yeah and the missile battery (minus the Clam Shell) already facilitates shoot and scoot mechanics. But the current lack of IADS functionality means that I cannot relocate the command and control units independently to the missile battery (well, if the Big Bird supported being towed and if we had a 9S17/18 equipped MAZ-7410 tractor for it), as it should IRL.

Edited October 14, 2024 by Northstar98

[upyr1]

I'd love to see the introduction of GAI as well as coordination between the different elements