VD question

[slughead]

On 8/3/2024 at 9:52 PM, Qcumber said:

This is related to VD so ggodin is the reference rather than mbucchia. I believe the limitation of VD to WiFi vs link cable is a meta issue. 

Ah, yeah. My mistake. 

[pixie]

I have VD and a Quest 2, 
FPS wise, Is there any benefit using VD rather than Link at the same resolution ?
Are the performance better with VD ?
I understand the added values are the codex quality and the ease of use. Am I correct ? Wireless is irrelevant to me because the battery wouldn't last long enough for my flying session.

 

[Jive]

35 minutes ago, pixie said:

I have VD and a Quest 2, 
FPS wise, Is there any benefit using VD rather than Link at the same resolution ?
Are the performance better with VD ?
I understand the added values are the codex quality and the ease of use. Am I correct ? Wireless is irrelevant to me because the battery wouldn't last long enough for my flying session.

 

FPS wise not necessarily. To me it feels smoother in VD, maybe it's the video buffering feature, I'm not sure. I also prefer VD's SSW to Link's ASW. The h264+ codec with VDXR is nice, even with a bitrate of 200. I also like that you can change the headset refresh rate and the bitrate on the fly if you like, useful when you're experiementing with settings. 

If you're already happy with Link then I wouldn't sweat it too much but if you have the money to spare for the VD app or you have other uses for it then it's great imo. Just keep in mind that the data is over wireless and not wired so if you think you may suffer network latency and/or aren't using a dedicated router then again maybe just stick with Link. 

[pixie]

Thx for your answer.
Actually I have already VD, but can't decide wether to use it or not. My router is fast and I can't perceive any latency.
What bothers me is the fact VD presets don't mention the resolution. I believe the god preset has the full resolution of the Quest 2 but it is unplayable  for me.
I need to make some further investigations

 

[Jive]

16 minutes ago, pixie said:

Thx for your answer.
Actually I have already VD, but can't decide wether to use it or not. My router is fast and I can't perceive any latency.
What bothers me is the fact VD presets don't mention the resolution. I believe the god preset has the full resolution of the Quest 2 but it is unplayable  for me.
I need to make some further investigations

 

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, pixie said:

What bothers me is the fact VD presets don't mention the resolution.

You can still use OXRTK to override the resolution and set it as you want. Or supersample with Oculus Tray Tool or Oculus Debug Tool. 

[Tomcat388th]

16 hours ago, Qcumber said:

You can still use OXRTK to override the resolution and set it as you want. Or supersample with Oculus Tray Tool or Oculus Debug Tool.

 For some reason I was thinking that OTT or ODT setting didn't carry over if you were using Virtual Desktop.  If they do is it just the supersample or other options in the list too

J

[Qcumber]

3 hours ago, Tomcat388th said:

 For some reason I was thinking that OTT or ODT setting didn't carry over if you were using Virtual Desktop.  If they do is it just the supersample or other options in the list too

J

OTT is just an interface to access most of the tools in ODT. It's a bit easier to change things. OTT has some useful custom keybind settings so I use this more. I only really use ODT to change sharpening to quality as there is no option for this in ODT. 

[Phantom711]

@Qcumber

Yes, but still @Tomcat388th is right, the settings in ODT/OTT have zero relevance if you are using VD.

I think in that regard, that was just a bit of a misunderstanding though.

Edited August 9, 2024 by Phantom711

[Qcumber]

1 hour ago, Phantom711 said:

@Qcumber

Yes, but still @Tomcat388th is right, the settings in ODT/OTT have zero relevance if you are using VD.

I think in that regard, that was just a bit of a misunderstanding though.

 

Sorry. My mistake. I must read things properly. Thought we were discussing meta. Didn't mean to cause confusion. 

[Tomcat388th]

Thanks for the info guys

J

[slughead]

On 8/8/2024 at 8:39 PM, pixie said:

What bothers me is the fact VD presets don't mention the resolution.

You can get this from the dcs.log file. Search for: DLSS successfully initialized

You should get a line similar to this: 2024-08-12 10:13:59.058 INFO    DX11BACKEND (23264): DLSS successfully initialized, 2048x2144 -> 3072x3216

That probably only applies if you are running with DLSS enabled.

Alternatively, look for a line such as this:

Line 1116: 2024-08-12 13:38:32.045 INFO    DX11BACKEND (35652): DX11Renderer initialization (w:1920 h:1200 fullscrn:0 vsync:0 adapter:0 monitor:0 shaderErrors:1)

Edited August 12, 2024 by slughead

[DD_Crash]

My motherboard has a WiFi 6  capability could this talk to my Quest 3 and work with VD? Or would I need to buy a router? My PC is on an Ethernet connection.

[mrsylvestre]

You would need to set your motherboard wifi as Access Point (AP), assuming its drivers make it possible. If possible at all, this is often impractical and performance is generally not that great.  A dedicated router is the best way.

[DD_Crash]

Thanks, worth asking.

[Gryzor]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:44 PM, slughead said:

mbuccia released a cable version of VDxR. However, it is limited. Eye and hand tracking are not available via it. He has no intention of adding it either, and I don't really blame him. His focus is rightly on the WiFi version, and I can imagine it would take all his time to support both.

This version is VDXR Standalone 1.0.3? so it allows using VD with cable link? please give me some more details... how it works? I cannot find any tutorial over internet. I want to use VD with cable without Wifi lantencies.

Edited August 22, 2024 by Gryzor
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[slughead]

17 minutes ago, Gryzor said:

This version is VDXR Standalone 1.0.3? so it allows using VD with cable link? please give me some more details... how it works? I cannot find any tutorial over internet. I want to use VD with cable without Wifi lantencies.

 

VD only works over wifi.

[Gryzor]

48 minutes ago, slughead said:

VD only works over wifi.

Not really... You can tether ethernet cable to USB adapter, and plug to the USB port of Q3. I´m using VD with cable, but I have some stutters (very few) with this connection.

Edited August 22, 2024 by Gryzor

[Qcumber]

6 hours ago, Gryzor said:

Not really... You can tether ethernet cable to USB adapter, and plug to the USB port of Q3. I´m using VD with cable, but I have some stutters (very few) with this connection.

 

That is not officially supported by VD and does not work with all headsets. I used to use it with my Pico 4 and it was very stable, but it does not work with Quest Pro. 

[Gryzor]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:44 PM, slughead said:

mbuccia released a cable version of VDxR. However, it is limited. Eye and hand tracking are not available via it. He has no intention of adding it either, and I don't really blame him. His focus is rightly on the WiFi version, and I can imagine it would take all his time to support both.

How it is work in Oculus Link THIS VDxR version? any tried it in cable? some more details about performance? to my knowledge it allows using VD throught cable, by oculus link, right?

[slughead]

29 minutes ago, Gryzor said:

How it is work in Oculus Link THIS VDxR version? any tried it in cable? some more details about performance? to my knowledge it allows using VD throught cable, by oculus link, right?

Why don’t you try it and see?

[Gryzor]

13 minutes ago, slughead said:

Why don’t you try it and see?

Because I don´t want to mess my time and my PC config (which is pretty neat) installing Oculus Link or other apps in my PC ... especially if some others have tried it. That´s why I ask some other experiencies this this specific version.

Edited August 23, 2024 by Gryzor

[Phantom711]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Gryzor:

to my knowledge it allows using VD throught cable, by oculus link

No, I don´t think this standalone version does, what you believe it would do. It will not let you run the actual Virtual Desktop App via cable on your Quest HMD. To my understanding it would just be OculusLink with VDXR as a runtime instead of the real OpenXR. I don´t see any benefit that this would bring to the table.

I think this only came up earlier this year, when DCS wouldn´t run via QuestLink and this was some sort of possible workaround...I don´t even know if this worked. But it could also have been completely unrelated to that issue back then...