Training Mission Issues

[Chops]

During the startup training mission, the hydraulic pressure is high, and toward the end of the mission I received a popup script error although the game did not crash.

I am running dcs.exe 2.9.7.59074

 

[Zabuzard]

The hydraulic thing is known and is mostly bc not everything in the plane is properly connected to our "new hydraulic system" yet and runs on the old instead. Will be fixed eventually.

The script error is new, thanks.

[Chops]

Also a request regarding training missions - please enable external views and labels.  It would be nice to be able to view tracks with external view and it is very difficult to spot aircraft in 2D view while training.  Thanks.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I just got the script error myself. I was about to make a post when I noticed this one existed already  

[Zabuzard]

Thank you. Afaik it was fixed today for the upcoming patch. Ill ask tomorrow and possibly send the fixed mission here.

[Hiob]

I have an issue with a training mission. (Taxi and Take off). After the completion of the before takeoff checklist, the script doesn’t respond to the spacebar anymore. It asks for it but doesn’t progress after pressing it. (and doesn’t acknowledge it)

Edited August 25, 2024 by Hiob

[TOViper]

Hey Hiob, can you provide the track from that specific flight?

[Hiob]

14 minutes ago, TOViper said:

Hey Hiob, can you provide the track from that specific flight?

No, sorry.

I will try to reproduce the issue later, when I‘m home again.

[Hiob]

2 hours ago, TOViper said:

Hey Hiob, can you provide the track from that specific flight?

Sorry, when I tried to replicate the issue it worked.

Wonder if it has to do with the arming pf the ejection seats, because this item was grayed out and honestly I have no idea how to arm them….

[Zabuzard]

Sorry, when I tried to replicate the issue it worked.
Wonder if it has to do with the arming pf the ejection seats, because this item was grayed out and honestly I have no idea how to arm them….

The current (german) seats in the aircraft would be armed by removing safety pins when the crew gets into the jet (not modelled currently).

From there, the Phantom automatically arms/safes the seats by the state of the canopy. Closed canopy = seat armed

[Hiob]

31 minutes ago, Zabuzard said:

The current (german) seats in the aircraft would be armed by removing safety pins when the crew gets into the jet (not modelled currently).

From there, the Phantom automatically arms/safes the seats by the state of the canopy. Closed canopy = seat armed

That explains why I couldn’t find the safety pins!  Next time I run into an issue I will save a track. 

[TOViper]

At that stage of the lesson the following items/systems are checked for correct positions/status, maybe you remember which one you missed/fucked up

• Radar altimeter setting = 500m and radar altimeter OFF flag = NOT VISIBLE
• Altimeter setting = 29.84 and altimeter STBY flag = NOT VISIBLE
• STATIC CORR OFF light = EXTINGUISHED
• ADI PRIM/STBY switch = PRIM
• STAB TRIM position indicator = between 1 and 3 units nose down
• Slats/Flaps = OUT & DOWN
• Sight mode = STBY (or CAGED)
• Wheel chocks = REMOVED
• Internal fuel transfer switch = NORM
• AFCS Stab Augs (all 3) = ON
• Canopy = OPEN

Most of them are safety relevant, some are important.
One is "VERY EXTREMELY SUPER" important: to have the canopy open; because otherwise you are not an F-4 pilot according to "general SME opinion"...
 (don't take this too serious... ok???)

Edited August 25, 2024 by TOViper

[Chops]

Here are a couple of additional issues that I noticed recently:

I have some screen shots attached that show the problems.  I am having a difficult time understanding what is meant by the underlined text in my screen shots.  The sentences don't make sense to me, and I am not sure how to apply this in-game.  Also please don't use acronyms without fulling explaining what they mean.

On the third screen shot - the steps are out of order.

 

Edited September 1, 2024 by Chops

[Zabuzard]

Here are a couple of additional issues that I noticed recently:
I have some screen shots attached that show the problems.  I am having a difficult time understanding what is meant by the underlined text in my screen shots.  The sentences don't make sense to me, and I am not sure how to apply this in-game.  Also please don't use acronyms without fulling explaining what they mean.
On the third screen shot - the steps are out of order.
 

Thanks, will improve on this :)

1) Release Advance is a setting on the WRCS panel that allows you to let the computer release the weapons a set amount of milliseconds earlier than planned. If you drop for example 10 bombs, this will cause the entire pattern to shift so that not the first bomb hits the target (and 9 bombs behind the target) but for example 4 bombs before the target, 5th bomb on the target and 5 behind.

2) RBL is the radar boresight line. In simple terms, the reticle will be put where the radar looks at, i.e. "straight forward".

3) You are supposed to put the pipper on something that has the same altitude than the target, as the radar measures range. So, it is okay if the radar is pointed a few meters before or behind the target or next to it if it stands mostly on flat terrain. On a hill, it would lead to more significant range differences if you do not point directly on the target.
In practice, the procedure would be to point before the target, lock the radar range and then let the pipper slowly and naturally walk onto the target. When right on the target, the bomb button is pressed to confirm the target position and start the weapon release computations.

[TOViper]

On 8/18/2024 at 6:44 PM, Chops said:

During the startup training mission,  ........  ............. toward the end of the mission I received a popup script error although the game did not crash.

I am running dcs.exe 2.9.7.59074

 

 

Just for the records, this non-blocking issue was resolved two updates ago.

[Elf1606688794]

On 8/25/2024 at 11:47 AM, Hiob said:

Sorry, when I tried to replicate the issue it worked.

Wonder if it has to do with the arming pf the ejection seats, because this item was grayed out and honestly I have no idea how to arm them….

I had that exact same issue, it didn't work and when I tried again it did. The instructor who is also our WSO fails to do his job correctly making it so you can't progress past this step. Track file attached for everyone's viewing pleasure.

Is it normal for .trk files to be this large? I'm looking at the list of .trk's in the folder and it looks like all (or very nearly all) large files are for the F-4E. I had to zip this one in order to upload it.

 

F-4E_bugged training.zip

[Elf1606688794]

On 9/1/2024 at 4:33 PM, Zabuzard said:

Thanks, will improve on this

1) Release Advance is a setting on the WRCS panel that allows you to let the computer release the weapons a set amount of milliseconds earlier than planned. If you drop for example 10 bombs, this will cause the entire pattern to shift so that not the first bomb hits the target (and 9 bombs behind the target) but for example 4 bombs before the target, 5th bomb on the target and 5 behind.

2) RBL is the radar boresight line. In simple terms, the reticle will be put where the radar looks at, i.e. "straight forward".

3) You are supposed to put the pipper on something that has the same altitude than the target, as the radar measures range. So, it is okay if the radar is pointed a few meters before or behind the target or next to it if it stands mostly on flat terrain. On a hill, it would lead to more significant range differences if you do not point directly on the target.
In practice, the procedure would be to point before the target, lock the radar range and then let the pipper slowly and naturally walk onto the target. When right on the target, the bomb button is pressed to confirm the target position and start the weapon release computations.

Somethiing that has helped me learn acronyms in the past is to say the name ie... Suspension Untility Unit-23 also known as a SUU-23. Triple Ejector Rack or TER, etc etc. It allows someone new to create the association between the name and the acronym in their brains. And once you learn them not only is it easier/quicker to talk about certain features, you almost never forget. I was in the Air Force nearly 40 years ago and I have yet to forget the acronyms. 

[TOViper]

1 hour ago, Elf1606688794 said:

I had that exact same issue, it didn't work and when I tried again it did. The instructor who is also our WSO fails to do his job correctly making it so you can't progress past this step. Track file attached for everyone's viewing pleasure.

Is it normal for .trk files to be this large? I'm looking at the list of .trk's in the folder and it looks like all (or very nearly all) large files are for the F-4E. I had to zip this one in order to upload it.

 

F-4E_bugged training.zip 49.99 MB · 0 downloads

Hey Elf, I was looking into your TRK file, and I found the issue:
Somehow the slats/flap switch was set back to position "OUT", which is the middle position, but it is only accepted in the lowest position "OUT & DOWN", as required a few steps before.

And yes, the TRK hosts the entire original mission + additionally the controls inputs and tracking data of your flight.

Besides all that, I also noticed the jump forward during the canopy closing procedure; I think you are flying in VR, and you accidently pushed the levers forward?

Edited October 21, 2024 by TOViper

[Elf1606688794]

52 minutes ago, TOViper said:

Besides all that, I also noticed the jump forward during the canopy closing procedure; I think you are flying in VR, and you accidently pushed the levers forward?

I use TrackIR and I forgot to put my throttles back to idle.

 

53 minutes ago, TOViper said:

Somehow the slats/flap switch was set back to position "OUT", which is the middle position, but it is only accepted in the lowest position "OUT & DOWN", as required a few steps before.

I had my flaps/slats mapped to the commands that move them in three steps. That wasn't working very well so I remapped so I only need to hit a button once for out/in so this shouldn't be an issue again. Thanks for your replies.

[TOViper]

Happy to help!