1440p monitor size question

[TKhaos]

6 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Yes, but again, there's nothing anywhere that says it has to be on a desktop. 

It's not even really difficult - much less "impossible" - to have larger monitors at the (widely recognized) proper height.  It only becomes "impossible" if one insists it has to be on a desktop - which is not a law anywhere that I know of.

 

Yeah that's what I meant, not something I would do having a 48in monitor sat maybe 2ft away on a desktop it would be wall mounted so it didn't affect my eyes

I just remember I got a high level adjustable TV stand in storage that takes a 60in TV which would be ideal and goes up to at least eye level so might not be wall mounting after all as I can put that against the wall and just drag the desk back further  

[kksnowbear]

Just now, TKhaos said:

Yeah that's what I meant, not something I would do having a 48in monitor sat maybe 2ft away on a desktop it would be wall mounted so it didn't affect my eyes

I just remember I got a high level adjustable TV stand in storage that takes a 60in TV which would be ideal and goes up to at least eye level so might not be wall mounting after all as I can put that against the wall and just drag the desk back further  

Absolutely.  Think outside the...desktop

[TKhaos]

6 minutes ago, Hiob said:

It‘s not as bad as it sounds though. 75% is still below my eye-line and the viewing distance is so that I still have the whole screen in sight without moving my head or eyes. And you have to move up your head anyway when you are using TrackIR. That movement is more than enough to comfortably focus on the upper edge of the screen.

Yeah I guess it depends how deep the desk is, I've used a 32in 16:9 before with a desk mount because I didn't want to drill holes in the wall for mounts. Wasn't too bad as my desk is 34in deep, the monitor was set back almost 1ft then probably another 18in where I'm sat it my chair so had a nice bit of distance. Would probably struggle a little bit with 48in that close but that's just me so now I've decided to buy one it's either going on a floor standing TV mount I got or the wall.

It's like my TV, the optimal size is 50in measured between the cabinet and my sofa where I sit so that's what I got, because I'm a bit OCD with things like that. I did the same with my 8 speaker surround sound, everything got measured out    

[SharpeXB]

I have a 48” 4K OLED on a Desktop and with its very short stand it’s just about the ideal height. Pretty sure that’s intentional in the design. It’s so nice it’s nearly life saving. The issue when you get older is you won’t be able to see well up close enough to use a “tiny” 32” screen. I work and game on this all day and I can’t say enough about how great it is. Life saving even…

[kksnowbear]

43 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I have a 48” 4K OLED on a Desktop and with its very short stand it’s just about the ideal height. Pretty sure that’s intentional in the design. It’s so nice it’s nearly life saving. The issue when you get older is you won’t be able to see well up close enough to use a “tiny” 32” screen. I work and game on this all day and I can’t say enough about how great it is. Life saving even…

Yup. Great personal preference.  Excellent for you!

The intent of the design, though, is arguable at best.  For one, they don't know and cannot control individual seat height.  And even though there are typical desk heights, not all horizontal work surfaces are the same.  I've used tables of many different heights. Lots of desks now are built for standing or even analogue height adjustment. 

Also, the length of the human torso varies.  In boot camp, we had a guy who was very short standing up but close to everyone else sitting down because his torso wasn't proportional to his overall height.  So that would also affect where a person's eyes are.

I think it's probably much more likely the design simply settled on a number that is somewhere in the middle of all that.

But - if it's the design intent - I'm sure your monitor came with documentation that addresses all this.  Can you share that?  Is there a download link?

Desktop placement is not a requirement.  Plenty of outfits selling monitor stands and wall mounts prove that.  And it remains that the best height for a monitor is such that your natural gaze falls at or just below the top of the monitor, not in the middle.  This is consistently repeated in all sorts of studies, and I'm unaware of any authoritative source that says anything to the contrary.

That said, as I mentioned above, I would welcome the enlightenment if someone can present some reference that cites other specifications.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[SharpeXB]

6 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

The intent of the design, though, is arguable at best. 

The monitor has a short 2” high stand and is not adjustable in height. Desks and chairs are basically standard heights and this works very well for the average sized person. Any bigger and it would probably be too tall for a desk. 

8 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Desktop placement is not a requirement.

A desk in an office is pretty handy.

9 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

And it remains that the best height for a monitor is such that your natural gaze falls at or just below the top of the monitor, not in the middle

With a 24” high screen if you set the top of this at your eye level that means the bottom of the screen would be at your knees. That would be really odd  

 

 

[kksnowbear]

15 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

A desk in an office is pretty handy

Sure is. But that doesn't change the fact that desktop monitor placement is not required - which is what I actually said.

That's called "straw man" btw...nobody claimed you can't have a desk, so you're arguing a point no one else even mentioned.

Nothing anywhere says you can't have a perfectly usable desk and still have a monitor mounted someplace else.  In fact if you get the monitor off the desk, you'll get more desk space.  (The companies I mentioned who sell monitor mounts, they understand that.)

Desks and chair heights vary, as I said. Again, no law saying they have to be certain heights.

So, I guess you don't have any references I asked about then?

Okie dokie.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[SharpeXB]

15 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Sure is.

And it works just fine. 

19 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

In fact if you get the monitor off the desk, you'll get more desk space.

A monitor like this could be wall mounted behind the desk but that wouldn’t change the height.

[kksnowbear]

Again, nobody (but you) is trying to make it sound as if you can't have a desk.  Straw man. Please stop.

The point is that placing a monitor on a desk is in no way required, so your continued observations involving desktop heights just don't apply.  At all.  Period.  If everyone was required to have a desk and required to have their monitor on the desk, maybe.  But that's not the reality.

If you choose to do it that way, that's your choice.  But you're doing it to yourself, and no one else is bound by your choice. 

38 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

A monitor like this could be wall mounted behind the desk but that wouldn’t change the height.

Wall mounting doesn't need to change the dimensions of the monitor. Only the placement of the monitor relative to eyes.  You seem to have a lot of trouble understanding that.  Sorry but it's not that complicated, really.

So...you have none of the references then?  Perfect.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[SharpeXB]

24 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

The point is that placing a monitor on a desk is in no way required

I suppose not but it’s the easiest solution. Not sure why you’ve got such a hangup about desks It’s a normal piece of furniture most everyone has already. Putting your monitor on one is a no-brainer. 

[kksnowbear]

5 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I suppose not but it’s the easiest solution. Not sure why you’ve got such a hangup about desks It’s a normal piece of furniture most everyone has already. Putting your monitor on one is a no-brainer. 

"Easy" is not at issue.  Straw man.  It's not required, at all.  In any way.  And that makes the rest of your argument totally and completely irrelevant.  It's obvious that you want the two things to be irretrievably attached, but they're just not, and that's the way it is.

I have no hangup about desks.  Personal attacks again?  Debate the point, not the person.

Whether putting your monitor on a desktop makes sense is absolutely a matter of personal choice.  You seem to be unable to grasp that.

No references at all, then?  Great.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[Beirut]

7 hours ago, Hiob said:

Yeah, that was what I meant. From my own experience I don't see a problem with the particular pixel size (1440p at 32") unless you are significant closer than arms length to it. A 1440p OLED (if such exist, dunno) - might be a sweet spot.
However, before spending 1600+ bucks on a 32" I would lookout for a 42" or even bigger. (which then needs to be 4K of course)

 

Amazon has a few 27" 1440p OLED monitors and they are mind bogglingly expensive. The least expensive is the Alienware at about $1050Cdn. tax in. The others, LG and Samsung, go up to about $1500Cdn. tx in.  McNuts!

 

Not going to impulse buy a new monitor, definitely going to keep pondering the scenarios. Appreciate the feedback though. 

[SharpeXB]

25 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

I have no hangup about desks.

Yeah I guess you’re trying to wiggle your way out of that silly stuff you said earlier about setting the screen down at knee height No matter how you mount the screen nobody’s gonna put it that low. 

[kksnowbear]

Yeah, OLEDs ain't cheap as a rule.  But I have seen/heard of some that seemed more reasonable.  I guess it's more about timing and location.

They are, however, visually very impressive IMHO.  So the higher price is (at least somewhat) to be expected.

Definitely the way to go to take your time, do the legwork, read reviews, watch sales.

 

[Hiob]

23 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Amazon has a few 27" 1440p OLED monitors and they are mind bogglingly expensive. The least expensive is the Alienware at about $1050Cdn. tax in. The others, LG and Samsung, go up to about $1500Cdn. tx in.  McNuts!. 

I know. I don’t know why Monitors are so much more expensive than TVs, even if it is (in the case of OLED) sometimes the same panel. But that‘s why I went for a TV. Back then 48“ was the smallest size for OLEDs but I think LG has a 42“ option now.

[kksnowbear]

17 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Yeah I guess you’re trying to wiggle your way out of that silly stuff you said earlier about setting the screen down at knee height No matter how you mount the screen nobody’s gonna put it that low. 

First of all, I didn't say anything stupid about knee height, that was all you.  Stop putting words in my mouth.

You don't control what everyone else does, so it's a complete, absolute and total lie to say "Nobody's" gonna do anything.

If I wanna put my monitor on top of a skateboard hanging from the ceiling it's my call.  Simply ain't up to you, sport.

*Still* doesn't change the fact that the most widely endorsed standards for monitor placement indicate eye level should be at or near the top edge of the monitor.

Speaking of widely endorsed standards...get those references that show otherwise yet?

Naaah, I suppose not.  Pretty sure they don't exist, after all.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[TKhaos]

39 minutes ago, Beirut said:

Not going to impulse buy a new monitor, definitely going to keep pondering the scenarios.

I almost never impulse buy anything, spend weeks researching something if I don't know about it, then will wait till I see good deals come up. As you are in no rush maybe keep an eye on places like Amazon for the flash sales or wait till end of November for the Black Friday sales and see if anything comes up in that.

[SharpeXB]

11 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

First of all, I didn't say anything stupid about knee height

“This is also among the reasons your eyes should be at the top of the monitor or near.”

If the top of a 24” high screen is at your eye level then the bottom of it would be at your knees

[Beirut]

Just now, TKhaos said:

I almost never impulse buy anything, spend weeks researching something if I don't know about it, then will wait till I see good deals come up. As you are in no rush maybe keep an eye on places like Amazon for the flash sales or wait till end of November for the Black Friday sales and see if anything comes up in that.

 

That's wisdom. But faced with the dopamine hit when you click on "add to cat", wisdom is not always right there when you need it.

 

Ice cream calms me down. 

[kksnowbear]

3 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

“This is also among the reasons your eyes should be at the top of the monitor or near.”

If the top of a 24” high screen is at your eye level then the bottom of it would be at your knees

It remains I never said it, so stop putting words in my mouth.

References?

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[SharpeXB]

5 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

This is also among the reasons your eyes should be at the top of the monitor or near. 

Right here

[kksnowbear]

Nope. Didn't say anything about knees. That stupid comment was not made by me.

References?

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear

[SharpeXB]

7 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Nope. Didn't say anything about knees. That stupid comment was not made by me.

References?

 

A 48” monitor is 24” high. If the top of the screen is at your eye level, where’s the bottom? At your knees. 

[TKhaos]

8 minutes ago, Beirut said:

That's wisdom. But faced with the dopamine hit when you click on "add to cat", wisdom is not always right there when you need it

I have done that before, was stuff I had planned on getting just a later date but at 50% off it made sense to buy then

 

[kksnowbear]

I still didn't make the stupid comment.  Stop putting words in my mouth.

Regardless of knees (which no one but you said anything about), that doesn't (in any way) change the fact that the best practice is top of the monitor at or slightly above eye level.

You're trying awfully hard to make it complicated but it's just not.  It doesn't matter what you did with your desk and monitor.  it doesn't matter what you think nobody's gonna do.  It doesn't matter how high a desk or table is.  The standards are the standards, period.  You want all this other crap to change that, but it just doesn't.

Unless you have the references you've been asked for repeatedly that show otherwise. No?  Didn't think so.

Edited September 16, 2024 by kksnowbear