reported earlier ECM Exploit that leads to new API FOX-1 missiles getting chaffed head-on

[Yaze]

You can just chaff any New API SARH missile head on by turning ECM off while chaffing. With a well timed execution, for example with a macro, you can even do this with only 4 chaff. I suspect the issue might be that when ECM is turned off, the new API missiles stop tracking for a short time during which they become susceptible to chaff, based on how the RWR reacts in one of the submitted tracks. Regardless of why it happens, the result is easily reproducable.

Attached are 2 tracks and the 2 respective tacviews of it being done vs. Super530 and AIM-7P. The target does not need to break lock, let alone even crank if its done right. (PS: They are labeled incorrectly, this has nothing to do with memory mode)

This has been an issue for a very long time, but now its being discovered by more and more people. The common myth is that this is only due to the M-2000C jammer blinking without enough of a cooldown. But in reality it is not an issue with the ECM cooldown, as even with a single blink this will usually already happen.

Here is an example of why this is game breaking for anyone playing 1980s scenarios: Normally, this engagement would lead to one of the two parties being required to turn away or notch and thus lose the fight, or a trade. However, both parties here just easily survive with this exploit, and it leads to a dogfight every time, thus taking away the need to even bring FOX-1 missiles in the first place in order to have a less draggy jet in the dogfight. The 2 people in this tacview have only started experimenting with this today, but as you can see, the red jet is already doing it with only a very small amount of chaff and no real maneuvers, and the Blue one can at the very least do the same plus have multiple attempts at it:

f15_memory_mode_exploit.trk f18_memory_mode_exploit.trk ECM_exploit_F15.acmi ECM_exploit_F18.acmi

Edited October 5, 2024 by Yaze

[ColdClaws]

And the Fulcrum/Flanker's missiles are instantly trashed if they enter memory mode for a split second while this exists

[GRY Money]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb Yaze:

The common myth is that this is only due to the M-2000C jammer blinking without enough of a cooldown. But in reality it is not an issue with the ECM cooldown, as even with a single blink this will usually already happen.

I would like to emphasize that the core problem here is not a "blink" but the Jammer turning OFF causing shooter to lose radar lock for a split second and during that time the radar picks out the chaff instead. Ironically this works a lot more consistently when you are headon with the missile than compared to a crank or notch. Look up or look down seems to have no effect on reliability of this working. 

Edited October 6, 2024 by GRY Money

[Xhonas]

@BIGNEWY @NineLine Hello guys, this has been an issue in DCS for a very long time, are the devs aware of it? should we expect it to be fixed? thanks.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all, 

we already have a report open for this internally. 

We will add your tracks to our report.

Thank you