any rumored replacement for WMR??

[The_Nephilim]

Hey Guys,

 

As the title says I was wondering if anybody plans on releasing a replacement for WMR? I mean to just do away with it is just a shame these headsets are still good.. and I dont have a 900usd to throw at a new headset Meta is not even an option..

[nessuno0505]

48 minuti fa, The_Nephilim ha scritto:

Meta is not even an option..

It should be. I replaced my G2 with a Q3: my G2 cable has broken, a replacement was € 100, the headset had an expiring date due to the WMR issue. I sold it (clearly saying that it needed a new cable) and bought a Q3. Pros: same performance, same resolution, better sweet spot, I can fly wireless, hand tracking, mixed reality, standalone option. Cons: some minor copmpression artifacts here and there, barely noticeable and vastly outweighed by the better lenses. It lacks nothing of what the G2 had, but it has a lot more stuff. And it's (relatively) cheap: in a few years I colud replace it with a better headset without the burden of having spent thousands. I'm not telling you buy it, but consider it. I doubt there will ever be an open source replacement for WMR, I don't think it's really technically possible.

[The_Nephilim]

Well I mean it could work if the wired solution is better then wireless. I am not a big fan of the wireless or the usb option either.. I would prefer a Displayport or similar. I may think about it but I am really not too sure about it..

 

I guess I could use the wired method but it still has issues I fear will not work well with me.. Have you used the wired solution if so is it better then the wireless?

Edited October 14, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[Keith Briscoe]

Are you sure that's right about vive and wmr?

[The_Nephilim]

1 hour ago, Keith Briscoe said:

Are you sure that's right about vive and wmr?

umm actually it can work with Steam VR but they mentioned mixed reality and I thought they were referring to WMR but it was not.. so it appears they have standalone or their own software to use for PCVR..

 

I will fix my OP

[Tomcat388th]

I started with a quest2  then the reverb G2 and now currently using a Quest Pro.  I don't have the beefiest of systems but have been really happy with the performance and visuals with this headset.  I bounce back and forth between using USB link and Virtual Desktop for DCS and at this point in time the software for both are working really well.  The only problem that I had was here awhile back Meta updated their software and DCS would not run. Luckily there were a few work arounds and the problem got fixed.  Most of the guys in our squad that have gotten into VR or upgraded have gone with the Quest3 with a few Crystals in the mix there. Just wanted to share my VR journey so far

J 

[Aapje]

23 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

As the title says I was wondering if anybody plans on releasing a replacement for WMR?

I think that this is the bargaining stage of grief.

It's almost certain that there is no realistic way for a volunteer to replicate all the work that MS did, without MS open sourcing their code, which they are clearly not doing. It would also be a waste of effort, because each day more people abandon the G2, and no new headsets are going to be released for WMR.

You can use the G2 safely for one more year and I would suggest getting a replacement before then.

[The_Nephilim]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

I think that this is the bargaining stage of grief.

It's almost certain that there is no realistic way for a volunteer to replicate all the work that MS did, without MS open sourcing their code, which they are clearly not doing. It would also be a waste of effort, because each day more people abandon the G2, and no new headsets are going to be released for WMR.

You can use the G2 safely for one more year and I would suggest getting a replacement before then.

Yes, I guess the writing on the wall should be headed and time to accept WMR is Dead.. I will keep an eye on the Pimax Crystal Light.. the Q3 is of no interest too me for the fact it does not have a DisplayPort Cable..

 

Thnx all

[Mobius_11804]

Okay, different approach! My laptop had to serve as a guinea pig for 24H2 today. After the OS install WMR was still there and launched! You just get the "Mixed Reality is not supported on this Version of Windows" Message. However, since my Laptop has no DisplayPort, i am unable to connect my Reverb G2 and check that it still fires up.

After i confirmed that the program was still there, i then proceeded to uninstall WMR and re-install it via activated dev-mode and powershell, which, to my surprise, worked as well!            So you can indeed still install WMR onto Windows 11 24H2!

Had a good run today!^^ Now i'll need to find another willing victim WITH a DisplayPort (or maybe finally get to grips with VM's..) to check for a functioning Headset with that side-loaded install!

And if it doesn't work... Well, let's say regedit will not be the same once i'm done with it xDD

If i am able to get it my Headset to work under 24H2 with a fresh WMR install, i'll let you guys know how to do it

[The_Nephilim]

2 hours ago, Mobius_11804 said:

Okay, different approach! My laptop had to serve as a guinea pig for 24H2 today. After the OS install WMR was still there and launched! You just get the "Mixed Reality is not supported on this Version of Windows" Message. However, since my Laptop has no DisplayPort, i am unable to connect my Reverb G2 and check that it still fires up.

After i confirmed that the program was still there, i then proceeded to uninstall WMR and re-install it via activated dev-mode and powershell, which, to my surprise, worked as well!            So you can indeed still install WMR onto Windows 11 24H2!

Had a good run today!^^ Now i'll need to find another willing victim WITH a DisplayPort (or maybe finally get to grips with VM's..) to check for a functioning Headset with that side-loaded install!

And if it doesn't work... Well, let's say regedit will not be the same once i'm done with it xDD

If i am able to get it my Headset to work under 24H2 with a fresh WMR install, i'll let you guys know how to do it

Well I could be the sacrificial lamb and update and test this theory on my PC. I reinstall Winxx so many times it would not matter to do it. I have my reinstalls down to a science..

 

Does it have a HDMI that is connected to the nVidia GPU?? you could get a DP to HDMI Adapter..

Edited October 16, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[kksnowbear]

6 minutes ago, The_Nephilim said:

Well I could be the sacrificial lamb and update and test this theory on my PC. I reinstall Winxx so many times it would not matter to do it. I have my reinstalls down to a science..

 

This sounds like a textbook case for drive imaging.  Why not just do that, and skip all the time/effort associated with reinstalling?

It's fairly easy, very fast by comparison, and there is good, free software available.

[The_Nephilim]

13 hours ago, kksnowbear said:

This sounds like a textbook case for drive imaging.  Why not just do that, and skip all the time/effort associated with reinstalling?

It's fairly easy, very fast by comparison, and there is good, free software available.

Yes I do realise this and I have yet to get the drive I needed to do this.. But since I had 2 seperate drives 1 for my Windows and the other for gaming I am not too sure how much time I could save but I guess any little bit of time shaved off would be good..

maybe one day I will buy the drives needed to do this.. but as of today that is not even on the horizon..

[kksnowbear]

Drives can be had for cheap (and your time has value too!)  I typically use the smallest, cheapest drives I can get when I'm shuffling "scratch drives" around.  For example, if it's just for testing, then rather than use a 2TB Gen4 NVMe drive, use an old SATA 500G drive   If it's temp just for testing, who cares?  I actually buy these scratch drives in bulk because I get better prices and use a lot of them.  I don't leave them in the final production builds, so no worries if they're cheap.

[The_Nephilim]

well 
I would need two SSD for my image of the 2 drives I currently have. 1 is 500gb for the OS and they other is a 2TB for my games which has a little over 1tb used up for my games..

 

but what is a good free program for the image program?

[Tomcat388th]

I have not used it for a backup image yet but I downloaded DiskGenius and have messed around with it. Have warched a few Youtube vids seems fairly simple to use. Right now I have been using SK hynix software that came with my SSD drives only downside is that you must have one of there drives installed to use their software.  But I do keep a backup image of my C drive and my E drive DCS on 2 separate SSD's.  When windows goes south I can have the drive reimaged fairly quickly and I dont have to reinstall all my other programs.

J 

[kksnowbear]

14 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

well 
I would need two SSD for my image of the 2 drives I currently have. 1 is 500gb for the OS and they other is a 2TB for my games which has a little over 1tb used up for my games..

but what is a good free program for the image program?

I would concede that I could be missing something, but I'm not sure it would be necessary to image both drives.  If I understood the post above about what is being modified for testing, then it seems like only the boot drive is required. 

Maybe I'm missing something?  You mentioned re-installing Windows...do you also reinstall the game on the separate drive as well?

As far as software goes, I'm still using Macrium Reflect.  It sucks that they've moved to a subscription model, but you can still find downloads for the older, free version (careful where you download from!).  It just isn't going to be updated, but (for me) I can deal with that.

Macrium isn't the only one though.  Admittedly I haven't spent time looking, but that's the 'legwork' that is usually unavoidable.

Finding good software that's also free isn't necessarily easy, that's just the reality I'm afraid.  Even when you do find something, they usually get around to screwing it up one way or another.

If you're using Windows 10 (can't speak for 11, since I don't use it), there is actually a tool right in Windows that works, and is free.  Just kinda clunky.  But hey, of the 'perfect trifecta' (good/works well, easy to find/use, and free) it seems you're lucky to get two of the three these days   The real downside of the Windows 'method' is you have to do the restore on the same machine where the image was created (as opposed to Macrium, for example, and others I've used, where you can restore a target drive from an image on a different machine).  In my case, I use my desktop to create/restore images for all the builds I work with; using Windows' tool requires doing the process on the target machine.

With the imaging approach, a good part of the effort is up front, but saves you time and hassle whenever you need to restore.  Doing the reinstall 'manually' as you indicated doesn't require *any* effort up front, but you pay for it every time you need a clean install.  Your specific use case may mean it's just as well doing the 'manual' method - that's a choice that varies by the individual/situation.

Hopefully all that makes sense.  Best of luck

[The_Nephilim]

Yes, If I reinstall Windows especially if I think something is infected or similar. I Secure NVME Wipe both drives and reflash BIOS incase of a BIOS infection (Call me Paranoid).

 

I figured since both drives might be infected with a new kind of virus or similar I just wipe both drives. so that is why I think I would need 2 drives one to backup the windows drive and the other to image the Game drive..

It really does not take me long to recover at this point. but I am guessing if I imaged the drive right after I had everything installed and disconnected them from the PC if something did happen I could justt reimage both drives.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[kksnowbear]

22 minutes ago, The_Nephilim said:

I am guessing if I imaged the drive right after I had everything installed and disconnected them from the PC if something did happen I could justt reimage both drives.

Precisely...that's exactly what I do (though I only image the boot drive, but nothing wrong with being thorough).

At one point, I actually kept a second set of drives inside my machine, already imaged and ready to go (not connected).  If anything happened, open the case, move the connections, you're in business.  (The obvious drawback being cost of two drives just sitting there against the advent of a disaster).

[The_Nephilim]

well been looking around doe anykind of PV VR Headsets with a displayport. they either are very cheap and not too good or super spendy.

I seen 1 headset DPRVR E4 but it seems it is not available and had many issues but it looked pretty cool. I also seen the Somnium VR1 butthat is 2 Grand.. I have a hard enough time trying to get the 1 grand for Pimax Crystal light..

 

So at this point it seems Pimax is it besides maybe the Vive that came out but it still using Fresnel lenses and I really want to move away from those.. so Pimax seems to be the otnly game in town for now.. will start saving my pennies as I have a year to get some money for a new headset..

[Mobius_11804]

Aaaand i'm done -_- there is soooo much different in the registry that my little CNC brain has no idea where to even start.. Guess i'm gonna go and get an appontment with a lawyer for european consumers law next week.. If anyone with a little (or a lot ) more knowledge than me, wants to reproduce my steps as far as i got and try their luck, there is a reddit thread about "How Can I Backup Windows Store Apps?". It's 3 years old, and the answering user is now deleted, but the provided link still worked for me.

I will not send around my backups, for obvious reasons

[Marshallman]

any rumored replacement for WMR??

Pimax for me. £1 deposit
I'll use the G2 until then.

[The_Nephilim]

8 hours ago, Mobius_11804 said:

Aaaand i'm done -_- there is soooo much different in the registry that my little CNC brain has no idea where to even start.. Guess i'm gonna go and get an appontment with a lawyer for european consumers law next week.. If anyone with a little (or a lot ) more knowledge than me, wants to reproduce my steps as far as i got and try their luck, there is a reddit thread about "How Can I Backup Windows Store Apps?". It's 3 years old, and the answering user is now deleted, but the provided link still worked for me.

I will not send around my backups, for obvious reasons

well Good Luck on that venture

[DerekSpeare]

Staying in Windows 10 is the best option for WMR.  Why they dropped it is classic MS stupidity. 

[The_Nephilim]

6 hours ago, DerekSpeare said:

Staying in Windows 10 is the best option for WMR.  Why they dropped it is classic MS stupidity. 

yes I am aware of going that router but I am on Win 11 Pro and I can defer that update indefinetely. but that is not my question..

 

MS Dropped it as in an article they told us of their dislike of other companies cashing in on their program.. so they x'd it.. gone forever nobody can use it now..

 

Thnx for your response tho..

Edited November 3, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[DerekSpeare]

2 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

yes I am aware of going that router but I am on Win 11 Pro and I can defer that update indefinetely. but that is not my question..

 

MS Dropped it as in an article they told us of their dislike of other companies cashing in on their program.. so they x'd it.. gone forever nobody can use it now..

 

Thnx for your response tho..

 

It's the Win11 24H4 update iirc that will remove WMR.  It's a stupid decision to kill such a popular feature.