DCS Players Have Had Enough - A youtubers opinion

[Rudel_chw]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

my opinion is that DCS needs both visuals and things to do in the game, and it is more lacking with the latter than the former.

 

At User files there are over 3400 single missions, and 540 Campaigns ... even if some are old, there is nothing stopping you from modifying them yourself on the Mission Editor.

[buceador]

2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

While it is important to listen to the negative people they shouldn't be the only source for feedback

They probably are not "negative people" more likely the are just people with some negative views about the game, I think the distinction is important. 

[Bounti30]

On 11/18/2024 at 10:31 AM, draconus said:

 I just mean to accept how things work here even when I don't like it. I find that all was already said and better to vote with your wallet than waste time on endless forum discussions.

 

Completely agree

Edited November 19, 2024 by Bounti30

[Dangerzone]

6 hours ago, buceador said:

They probably are not "negative people" more likely the are just people with some negative views about the game, I think the distinction is important. 

To be fair, there's probably a mixture of both. A few posts isn't enough to discern a persons true character as lots of circumstances can affect someone's posting. But as time goes on and more posts are made - I'd say it gets easier to gauge who the always negative people are, vs the rest. And for the moderators - provided they don't make quick assumptions about people from a handful of posts, they've probably got a better idea than most. (They probably read more than us, including posts that have been removed by them that we may have never seen). 

[BIGNEWY]

1 hour ago, Dangerzone said:

To be fair, there's probably a mixture of both. A few posts isn't enough to discern a persons true character as lots of circumstances can affect someone's posting. But as time goes on and more posts are made - I'd say it gets easier to gauge who the always negative people are, vs the rest. And for the moderators - provided they don't make quick assumptions about people from a handful of posts, they've probably got a better idea than most. (They probably read more than us, including posts that have been removed by them that we may have never seen). 

Correct, we see a lot more then most people, and while post history can tell a lot about someone it isn't always the full picture we see as admins. 

 

This thread has nearly run it's course and will be closing soon. 

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

This thread has nearly run it's course and will be closing soon. 

 

cant be soon enough, I strongly dislike threads of people who purport to be "representatives" of the whole community .. they should speak just for themselves.

[motoadve]

I like DCS, enjoy WWII fighters , MP and the community, its not perfect , but way better than the other sim.

With that being said, what is surprising and also annoying is when they fix something, but that breaks another thing, fix the FW190 Dora engine bug, but altimeter breaks, fix AI in general but WWII AI stop being aggressive. 

I know it will be fixed, keep the good work, also  game performance is getting better and better, very excited for the new fog.

[mikey69420]

22 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

cant be soon enough, I strongly dislike threads of people who purport to be "representatives" of the whole community .. they should speak just for themselves.

And I dislike people like you who'd rather silence a discussion they don't like than let people speak.

Of course, I understand this is a private company and there is no free speech on these forums (courtesy of our dear moderators), but still, let people speak, it ain't that hard...

I agree with your point though, ain't no one big enough to believe that they can speak on the behalf of everyone.

[Dangerzone]

31 minutes ago, mikey69420 said:

I agree with your point though, ain't no one big enough to believe that they can speak on the behalf of everyone.

But is that what's really happening though? 

From what I've read through this forum, people are mostly speaking on behalf of themselves, their immediate community, or out of observation of what they have seen here, or in other forums/comment sections - stuff they have personally experienced or observed. While passionate, I think most of the discussions I've seen are fairly fine. (Although I admit I don't know how many have been cleaned up).

The only one that I could consider that is really doing that is the original video... which this thread is discussing.

As such, I would have thought having a thread like this is actually beneficial to exposing the accuracy of the video's statements - whether they are indeed representative of a number of ED's customers, or a big farphy. 

31 minutes ago, mikey69420 said:

And I dislike people like you who'd rather silence a discussion they don't like than let people speak.

Indeed! But I also get some people don't like this stuff - which again, where an 'ignore thread' button could help. It'd be a far better option IMO than censorship and not allowing these types of discussions.

Edited November 20, 2024 by Dangerzone

[Rudel_chw]

57 minutes ago, mikey69420 said:

And I dislike people like you who'd rather silence a discussion they don't like than let people speak.

let me clarify, what I dislike is the video title: "DCS Players have had enough …"

I’m a DCS player and this guy does not represent me …

very different if the title were "I have had enough" or "some players have had enough"

[Dangerzone]

That's fair enough. That stuff annoys me to. Unfortunately, it's Youtube and many content creators are going to clickbait. How many thumbnails have I seen where it's bold statements, or a big arrow pointing to something random saying "Never do this!", or "What happens next will shock you".  I hate those things too. It's the 'accepted junk' people do for clickbait to grab attention. (For me - if I see a thumbnail that misrepresents content, or shows something that's not in the video - they instantly go on my "Never recommend this channel to me again" list). 

I prefer the approach Enigma had in his video - it comes across much more honest. First, it started was a question, not a statement. Plus, he made some interesting points. Whether they're true or not, IDK - but definitely worth pursuing. Because if I'm using DCS for intentions on how it isn't supposed to be used (or ED have no intentions of supporting that) - it would have been great to know before I invested so much effort into trying to make these things happen.

That's not saying that Enigma's statement that ED has designed DCS is really designed more for a digital museum and not large map covering PvE online MP game is 100% correct (and I don't think he is either)- but he raises some considerations that are definitely worth considering before investing a lot of time, effort and money into goals that DCS (or WD40  ) were not designed for. These things need to be discussed so that we can have more reasonable expectations of what we should and shouldn't expect from DCS.

This fits more inline with my 'lowering expectations' of DCS - but he's gives much more - by giving potential reasons for why expectations should be lowered in some areas that actually make sense, instead of just lowering them with no reason given...

 

Edited November 20, 2024 by Dangerzone

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

19 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

You keep repeating the same rhetoric but choose to ignore that we are fixing bugs with every patch we have. 

You have given plenty of feedback here already, and I have replied many times, we are not ignoring you or anyone else, repeating your point of view over and over isnt going to suddenly make things ok for you. 

Please make sure you have read our 1.10 rule. 

1.10 Product feedback and constructive criticism is encouraged when provided in a mature and courteous manner. However, feedback that is abusive, insulting or condescending is not welcome. Additionally, to bring up a particular issue repeatedly after it has already been acknowledged will be considered "trolling" - in such cases a warning will be issued to the author and the post will be removed.

thank you 

Please do point out where I denied that ED is, indeed, fixing things and improving DCS overall.

Anywhere.

No, really, go ahead. Please. Because, clearly, ED is improving DCS and that cannot be denied. This thread is just testament that they could be doing better and ideas how.

[mikey69420]

6 hours ago, Dangerzone said:

But is that what's really happening though? 

From what I've read through this forum, people are mostly speaking on behalf of themselves, their immediate community, or out of observation of what they have seen here, or in other forums/comment sections - stuff they have personally experienced or observed. While passionate, I think most of the discussions I've seen are fairly fine. (Although I admit I don't know how many have been cleaned up).

The only one that I could consider that is really doing that is the original video... which this thread is discussing.

As such, I would have thought having a thread like this is actually beneficial to exposing the accuracy of the video's statements - whether they are indeed representative of a number of ED's customers, or a big farphy. 

You're absolutely right, I personally didn't see anything wrong with what was said in this thread either. 

I didn't read every comment so I assumed there may have been people that were projecting their views and opinions onto everyone, which is something I disagree with. I don't know whether that happened or not I must admit, you are the judge of that.

[mikey69420]

5 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

let me clarify, what I dislike is the video title: "DCS Players have had enough …"

I’m a DCS player and this guy does not represent me …

very different if the title were "I have had enough" or "some players have had enough"

Fair enough, I didn't quite get you were talking about the video itself and to make it clear, I don't dislike you either at all.

Though I dislike the willingness to close this thread. It's fair if you think this video doesn't represent you, people certainly are debating this very fact in this thread.