Pimax Crystal Super 12K

[YoYo]

[MadMonty]

Just ordered!

[YoYo]

54 minutes ago, MadMonty said:

Just ordered!

Buy 2x RTX 5090 right away !

[YoYo]

It's probably possible to play with Dynamic Foveated Rendering / QV, I'm curious about the first opinions. Although I'll probably stick with Quest . However, the financing options are actually interesting. On the other hand, the development of the VR market is going quite fast and in 24 months it will already be the next generations, and you will only just finish paying it off

Edited November 21, 2024 by YoYo

[Calvin.Pimax]

13 hours ago, YoYo said:

Buy 2x RTX 5090 right away !

Afraid it will be out of stock instantly! 

[MadMonty]

16 hours ago, YoYo said:

Buy 2x RTX 5090 right away !

Let´s wait and see. They advertise, that we don´t run into perfomance problems, since we can omit Anti Aliasing and take advantage of Dynamic Foveated Rendering. I have a powerful PC, if that is not enough, Pimax runs into deep problems.

[EightyDuce]

3 hours ago, MadMonty said:

Let´s wait and see. They advertise, that we don´t run into perfomance problems, since we can omit Anti Aliasing and take advantage of Dynamic Foveated Rendering. I have a powerful PC, if that is not enough, Pimax runs into deep problems.

There is no magic-sauce here; there will be a compromise to be made. At the end of the day, the image still has to be rendered and the bigger and better the image is, the more muscle it takes. Our current headsets (even G2) can already bring a 4090 to it's knees. This will be no different; as mentioned above, I would start saving up for that 5090. 

 

On the other hand, Pimax Prime thing is interesting....will the headset have to have communication with a server to function now? I ask because in FAQ it mentions if payment is missed, headset doesn't function so there appears to be a need for communication between headset and "home base." I guess my question if the device is bought outright/payed-off, is an active internet connection now required and what if things happen and Pimax isn't able to provide/maintain the service; will the headset continue to function? 

[kerlcat]

Also ordered Super 57PPD 120FOV, while hesitating to switch to 50PPD 135FOV. 

[MadMonty]

2 hours ago, kerlcat said:

Also ordered Super 57PPD 120FOV, while hesitating to switch to 50PPD 135FOV. 

Same here, so I start saving for the 50PPD as the RTX5090

[Nascar]

If accurate, is the Crystal Super FOV the same as a 5k+ normal FOV?

[kerlcat]

6 hours ago, Nascar said:

If accurate, is the Crystal Super FOV the same as a 5k+ normal FOV?

The measured FOV of Super 57ppd is 119 degree. So you need to find out the measured FOV of the headset you looks for compare.

[oCMANo]

What'd be the main reason to update to a OLED set when that comes out?  Is it just the darker blacks and better colors?

[kerlcat]

6 hours ago, oCMANo said:

What'd be the main reason to update to a OLED set when that comes out?  Is it just the darker blacks and better colors?

Mainly contrast and true black. But FOV much worse.

Edited November 24, 2024 by kerlcat

[jaydee]

On 11/22/2024 at 8:06 AM, YoYo said:

Buy 2x RTX 5090 right away !

yoyo, since the dawn of Flight Sims...Atari, Red Barron ,Janes, Falcon 3 and 4...IL2 PF, Lock On and DCS just to name a few.... Pc hardware and Software ! .. DOS, Synthax ,anyone remember ?...Windows with 12 Floppy discs to install  !   ...CPU ..486 with 4 MB RAM !  ..Video Card Riva TNT versus Voodoo 3dfx  ?....

Us flight Simmers have been chasing our Tail since we found out we could Fly on our PC......We dont care what it costs, we want the most immersive Flying we can get !

I have the Crystal .  It has added that Extra Dimension to Flying that cannot be described with words.

I am Buying the Crystal Super ....And whatever I need to run it ! .. As us simmers Do..  We find a way to Pay for our passion . ~S~

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, jaydee said:

yoyo, since the dawn of Flight Sims...Atari, Red Barron ,Janes, Falcon 3 and 4...IL2 PF, Lock On and DCS just to name a few.... Pc hardware and Software ! .. DOS, Synthax ,anyone remember ?...Windows with 12 Floppy discs to install  !   ...CPU ..486 with 4 MB RAM !  ..Video Card Riva TNT versus Voodoo 3dfx  ?....

Us flight Simmers have been chasing our Tail since we found out we could Fly on our PC......We dont care what it costs, we want the most immersive Flying we can get !

I have the Crystal .  It has added that Extra Dimension to Flying that cannot be described with words.

I am Buying the Crystal Super ....And whatever I need to run it ! .. As us simmers Do..  We find a way to Pay for our passion . ~S~

Yes, I also generally prefer to invest in hardware because then you have better comfort. It's a race without end. 

[MadMonty]

On 11/23/2024 at 12:08 PM, kerlcat said:

Also ordered Super 57PPD 120FOV, while hesitating to switch to 50PPD 135FOV. 

The 50PPD ist now available, shipment estimated for March 24 (instead of Jan 24 for 57 PPD).

I have just asked the customer service to change my order from 57PPD (120 HFOV) to 50PPD (135 HFOV) - even though extra 57PPD unit would "only" be 399 $. That was no problem at all for Pimax.

I can´t think of a use case having to panels, as I am always looking for a wider FOV. That´s why I am willing to wait a bit longer until Spring 24.

[f14billy]

I just preordered the 50PPD as well. I love the OG Crystal... I just want more FOV.

[kerlcat]

7 hours ago, MadMonty said:

The 50PPD ist now available, shipment estimated for March 24 (instead of Jan 24 for 57 PPD).

I have just asked the customer service to change my order from 57PPD (120 HFOV) to 50PPD (135 HFOV) - even though extra 57PPD unit would "only" be 399 $. That was no problem at all for Pimax.

I can´t think of a use case having to panels, as I am always looking for a wider FOV. That´s why I am willing to wait a bit longer until Spring 24.

Thanks, I did the same. Wish their QC of 1st batch decent.

[Panzerlang]

On 11/23/2024 at 2:14 AM, EightyDuce said:

Our current headsets (even G2) can already bring a 4090 to it's knees. This will be no different; as mentioned above, I would start saving up for that 5090. 

Lul, whut? I'm running DCS at very high settings on a Crystal with a 4090 and it's very smooth (slight steppiness looking sideways, low to the ground, but I've previously had that perfect too...updates are the bane of VR).
I originally had a G2 on a 1080Ti and it was playable. Upgraded to a 3080Ti and it was superb. My 4090 would have stomped it.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Panzerlang

[MadMonty]

5 hours ago, kerlcat said:

Thanks, I did the same. Wish their QC of 1st batch decent.

Did you cancel the order and placed a new order? Pimax „manually“ changed my order and I will not see it on the website. I do not trust this process fully.

[kerlcat]

4 hours ago, MadMonty said:

Did you cancel the order and placed a new order? Pimax „manually“ changed my order and I will not see it on the website. I do not trust this process fully.

You may submit a ticket and they should be able to confirm according.

I was told that better to wait till actual shipping date of 57ppd ready when any reviews available. Really need official guidance how to choose between 57ppd and 50ppd with pros and cons, and also some reviews by 3rd party to compare both QLED headset in sim. Honestly I don’t know whether 50ppd is better choice indeed…other than tradeoff between FOV and PPD. It’s bet to pick for now.

[EightyDuce]

13 hours ago, Panzerlang said:

Lul, whut? I'm running DCS at very high settings on a Crystal with a 4090 and it's very smooth (slight steppiness looking sideways, low to the ground, but I've previously had that perfect too...updates are the bane of VR).
I originally had a G2 on a 1080Ti and it was playable. Upgraded to a 3080Ti and it was superb. My 4090 would have stomped it.

Not sure what specific part you find confusing.

Can you have your settings at a point where you have buttery smooth gameplay on a 4090? Yes. Can you turn up the settings so that 4090 becomes a bottleneck? Also yes. 

 

[MadMonty]

On 12/4/2024 at 11:03 AM, kerlcat said:

You may submit a ticket and they should be able to confirm according.

I was told that better to wait till actual shipping date of 57ppd ready when any reviews available. Really need official guidance how to choose between 57ppd and 50ppd with pros and cons, and also some reviews by 3rd party to compare both QLED headset in sim. Honestly I don’t know whether 50ppd is better choice indeed…other than tradeoff between FOV and PPD. It’s bet to pick for now.

I already had a ticket and asked for an official confirmation of changing my order from 57PPD to 50PPD. They then send me an email confirmation and I now also see the correct (changed) order in my profile on the website. Never been a Pimax customer so far, but their support was on time and helpful. Now I am wainting for the first reviews of the Pimax Super next year and than I am happy to wait for the 50PPD...

[Panzerlang]

On 12/4/2024 at 11:23 PM, EightyDuce said:

Not sure what specific part you find confusing.

Can you have your settings at a point where you have buttery smooth gameplay on a 4090? Yes. Can you turn up the settings so that 4090 becomes a bottleneck? Also yes. 

 

Well sure, you can have a headset's render at max and DCS PD at max too, that'll bring a 4090 down to an art gallery with a white cane. But in sane use, with all the aids (OpenXR with Quadviews) I can run very high DCS settings in VR and apart from very minor jerking while doing what no real pilot would do (on the deck, admiring the scenery sideways) the 4090 stomps it.

[EightyDuce]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:43 PM, Panzerlang said:

Well sure, you can have a headset's render at max and DCS PD at max too, that'll bring a 4090 down to an art gallery with a white cane. But in sane use, with all the aids (OpenXR with Quadviews) I can run very high DCS settings in VR and apart from very minor jerking while doing what no real pilot would do (on the deck, admiring the scenery sideways) the 4090 stomps it.

It seems we have a difference of preference in quality settings. 

To each their own, however, doesnt change the fact that DCS can bring even the 4090 down to the level of performance where some (myself included) would not enjoy simming at. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by EightyDuce