Newbie - first flight - BANG! CRASH!

[rjsagel]

Hello,

 

OK, I can now startup fine and get into the air. I can handle weapons as a beginner. I selected the Target Range Flight for my first test. As I am flying along to the target area (following the map) I hear a load bang and I am spinning out of control. I crash!

 

What has happened here? Tried it twice - same result. (Am I shot?)

 

I tried the first mission in the Campaign area and the same result!!!

 

Thanks,

 

Ron Sagel

[sobek]

Most likely a rotor blade intersection. Mind the overspeed warnings, those are there for your own good. Also, if you operate the engines in the maximum continuous power range (the lower red arrows on the compressor pressure instrument indicate the upper limit), you will not get a loaded helicopter to overspeed (unless in a descent). From my experience on MP servers, most people fly the chopper with unrealistic power settings, that would IRL cripple the engines over the course of a flight. Don't know why the engine damage model is so forgiving in this regard.

[Nate--IRL--]

Welcome to the wonderful world of "Rotor-less Fiery Death "

 

Usual causes are to much right rudder at speed and/or, too much left bank at speed and/or, too much speed (>270km/hr) and/or, rotor rpm too low. Any of these conditions can lead to the two sets of rotors intersecting, not an ideal situation in a helicopter.

 

There is bit more to it than that, but in general that's what you should avoid.

 

Nate

[rjsagel]

Thanks,

 

Hello,

 

Thank you!!! I have a helo sim in FSX (DODOSIM) and it is very realistic.

However, they only have one rotor.

 

I'll watch the speed now.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Ron Sagel

[Yo-Yo]

Most likely a rotor blade intersection. Mind the overspeed warnings, those are there for your own good. Also, if you operate the engines in the maximum continuous power range (the lower red arrows on the compressor pressure instrument indicate the upper limit), you will not get a loaded helicopter to overspeed (unless in a descent). From my experience on MP servers, most people fly the chopper with unrealistic power settings, that would IRL cripple the engines over the course of a flight. Don't know why the engine damage model is so forgiving in this regard.

 

Damage model watches you! :)

Real TV3-117 allows up to 30 min of TO rating but the engine is condemned to be changed after the run.

If you run 30 min or more at TO rating your engine will lose power and failure probability grows. As it is not so high the engine can run more than 30 min but its TO power decreases.

Without EEG you can burn 1st turbine blades faster.

[joey45]

When you crash it is a good idea to view the track...

[wickedpenguin]

What has happened here? Tried it twice - same result. (Am I shot?)

 

Hehe, I think that probably happened to everyone the first few times out.

 

If you over-rev the engines, two warning message will appear on the top right overhead panel: LH POWER SET LIM and RH POWER SET LIM. Those indicate the left and right engines were oversped and were limited by the electronic engine governer. If illuminated only briefly- for instance if you're trying to get a heavy helo off the ground or pouring on the power to take evasive action from a SAM - it's not too bad.

 

However, if those lights are on for any lengthy period of time, chances are good you're in for a self-induced rotor strike.

 

Also, when you're operating at the upper limits of the speed envelope do not make high-G maneuvers. That is, unless you really don't like your rotors.

Edited June 18, 2009 by wickedpenguin

[sobek]

Damage model watches you! :)

Real TV3-117 allows up to 30 min of TO rating but the engine is condemned to be changed after the run.

If you run 30 min or more at TO rating your engine will lose power and failure probability grows. As it is not so high the engine can run more than 30 min but its TO power decreases.

Without EEG you can burn 1st turbine blades faster.

 

And how is it in the game? I have never experienced any engine failures due to overstress with the governors engaged. Will the egnine loose power by running in TO for too long?

 

Btw. i guess takeoff pwr is the uppermost red arrow, what is the one in the middle?

 

Sorry for OT but i think original question has been answered.

Edited June 18, 2009 by sobek

[nemises]

yo yo made the damage model in the game AFAIK, that is what he is talking about .. the same in the game as IRL.

 

Damage model watches you!

 

heh