Shadow issues

[Lord_Pyro]

Since the last 2 bigger Updates darker areas have some kind of checkerboardpattern applied to them. Brighter areas look fine though.

I fly exclusively in VR where this does not occure at all, i just have that on my screenshots (and maybe in 2d DCS in general).

 

Anyone noticed something similiar? Maybe some shaderissue?

 

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[Czar66]

I some issue like this. I was about to look for a thread on it. I think it was already posted, although I can't seem to find it. If I find it I'll link it here.

Edit: Looking more carefully, I think we have different issues given the phenomenon on your image doesn't continue towards those mountains in the upper portion. Indeed can be a shader issue. Delete fxo and metashaders 2 in saved games if you havent.

Mine is like a checkerboard effect on the whole image, not just shadows. This becomes problematic especially when editing an image. It can also make 'harmonics' with your LCD screen if you change the image zoom from DCS, like on your example. It can appear as lines or dots in pattern.

In gameplay, I would prefer something clean instead of this if it was added intentionally.

I already had my fxo and metashaders2 folders cleaned up.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Czar66

[silverdevil]

12 hours ago, Lord_Pyro said:

Since the last 2 bigger Updates darker areas have some kind of checkerboardpattern applied to them. Brighter areas look fine though.

I fly exclusively in VR where this does not occure at all, i just have that on my screenshots (and maybe in 2d DCS in general).

 

Anyone noticed something similiar? Maybe some shaderissue?

 

11 hours ago, Czar66 said:

I some issue like this. I was about to look for a thread on it. I think it was already posted, although I can't seem to find it. If I find it I'll link it here.

Edit: Looking more carefully, I think we have different issues given the phenomenon on your image doesn't continue towards those mountains in the upper portion. Indeed can be a shader issue. Delete fxo and metashaders 2 in saved games if you havent.

Mine is like a checkerboard effect on the whole image, not just shadows. This becomes problematic especially when editing an image. It can also make 'harmonics' with your LCD screen if you change the image zoom from DCS, like on your example. It can appear as lines or dots in pattern.

In gameplay, I would prefer something clean instead of this if it was added intentionally.

I already had my fxo and metashaders2 folders cleaned up.

do either of you do any upsampling or downsampling? are you getting a screenshot from DCS utility or print screen or nvidia, or something else? it sounds to me that the actual windows image is not being captured properly and somehow affecting the resolution. like the days of windows not making the correct resolution of an attached monitor. and the screen would be fuzzy.

[Czar66]

1 hour ago, silverdevil said:

 

do either of you do any upsampling or downsampling? are you getting a screenshot from DCS utility or print screen or nvidia, or something else? it sounds to me that the actual windows image is not being captured properly and somehow affecting the resolution. like the days of windows not making the correct resolution of an attached monitor. and the screen would be fuzzy.

Hi silver. DLAA, Screenshot from DCS output itself in 'saved games' with 'print screen' key. The issue is not exclusive to screenshots. While playing you can see it, the only way to show on the forum, of course is with screenshots.

1080p. The issue was not existent before with the same settings. Image was super clear.

Again, it is not the output of a capture. Is in the actual live image.

I've been editing DCS screenshots for the past 4 years just for fun. This homogeneous noise added was abruptly noticed.

These are raw output (PNG) with the same ingame settings as well as control panel settings (default).

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Notice how there is a checkered pattern on flat areas especially on the aircraft fuselage.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Czar66
Several data added.

[Lord_Pyro]

On 12/22/2024 at 3:30 AM, Czar66 said:

Edit: Looking more carefully, I think we have different issues given the phenomenon on your image doesn't continue towards those mountains in the upper portion. Indeed can be a shader issue. Delete fxo and metashaders 2 in saved games if you havent.

Deleting the shaders did not help

[Czar66]

13 hours ago, Lord_Pyro said:

Deleting the shaders did not help

Hey, Lord_Pyro. Are you using DLSS or any upscalling tech by any chance? If you use DLAA, does the issue exist?

[Lord_Pyro]

Yes, i use DLSS since it first released for DCS and for Anti Aliasing i use DLAA.

[Czar66]

50 minutes ago, Lord_Pyro said:

Yes, i use DLSS since it first released for DCS and for Anti Aliasing i use DLAA.

If you disable DLSS and only run with DLAA, does this pattern you got becomes thinner and less obvious just like what it shows on my screenshots?

[Lord_Pyro]

I dont really want to do that, as i need it for performance issues. And up until December everything worked fine with DLSS and DLAA. Maybe i should check the changelogs. (i checked my screenshots, the effect appeared after the patch which brought us the remodelled F5, on dec. the 4th)

 

On a sidenote; the current patch did not fix it.

Edited December 25, 2024 by Lord_Pyro

[Lange_666]

Been seeing the same issue since the last update.
Played around with the AA settings made it a bit worse or better depending on the setting (DLSS off is less noticable) but putting the sharpening slider back to zero did the trick.
Then i don't notice it anymore.

[Lord_Pyro]

Nothing more to add. Thank you @Lange_666, Topic can get closed.

[Czar66]

Oh no! I disagree the thread can be closed. The issue still is present.

The noise still there and the sharpening filter is needed for the temporal and upscalling techniques! There is a new noise introduced since the fog update that degraded image quality by quite a margin. The sharpening filter just makes it more apparent.

Right now at video editing. The noise making an apparent unwanted pattern shown on the water area at the bottom left. This effect shows on several other occasions and not only on water.

[silverdevil]

17 hours ago, Czar66 said:

Oh no! I disagree the thread can be closed. The issue still is present.

hello. if your issue was not corrected, you should open another ticket. after all it was @Lord_Pyro topic to open and to close.

[Czar66]

1 hour ago, silverdevil said:

hello. if your issue was not corrected, you should open another ticket. after all it was @Lord_Pyro topic to open and to close.

Thank you silverdevil, I'll do that.

[Lord_Pyro]

Well he was not wrong at all. I have no problem for this thread to continue on, as long as it helps to find a solution

[silverdevil]

18 hours ago, Lord_Pyro said:

Well he was not wrong at all. I have no problem for this thread to continue on, as long as it helps to find a solution

oh so your issue was not resolved? the problem with marking a topic as resolved when it is not resolved is the green checkmark will appear on the post and some poor hapless soul will see it and think YAY and then get a letdown when it is not resolved.

[Lord_Pyro]

Let's say it's mitigated by turning the sharpeness down, but you can't call it a final solution i guess