reported Stryker Vehicles automatically invisible to Hostile APCs

[Mindset]

I was playing around comparing damage taken by different NATO IFVs and APCs when i noticed the BTR-80 would not recognize the existence, nor engage upon command the Stryker vehicles (ATGM, ICV and MGS Variants). A MBT like the T-90 would react and engage, but none of the BTRs....

This only occurred for the Stryker's, all other vehicles were automatically recognized and engaged. As I said commanding specifically to attack the units and setting their invisibility specifically to OFF as well still did nothing. no distance, positioning nor and ROE settings would make them see and attack the Strykers.

APC Fuchs, MTLB and AAV-7 APCs also would not recognize nor attack Strykers.

There seems to be a strange hole in the AI programing or maybe something bigger with these vehicles..

This is hampering my ground missions as well

[f-18hornet]

Hi @Mindset, can you please provide a track? When I try just a Stryker ATGM against BTR-80, the BTR fires without any problem.

[Mad_Shell]

40 minutes ago, f-18hornet said:

Hi @Mindset, can you please provide a track? When I try just a Stryker ATGM against BTR-80, the BTR fires without any problem.

I think i know the problem. Units in DCS won't engage if their weaponry can't deal damage to the armor of another unit. In your example the back of the stryker has thin armor so the btr engages. I think that if you try front aspect, the btr will estimate that it can't damage the front armor and thus won't engage.

In real life they would still engage, as it would damage optics, wheels, antennas, blind the crew, etc... I guess this behaviour will need to be revisited when units have better damage models.

Edited January 23 by Mad_Shell

[BIGNEWY]

please include a track replay

[Northstar98]

Reproduced.

If the M1126 ICV, M1134 ATGM or M1128 MGS is further than 300 m away, they are not engaged by the BTR-82A, despite being detected.

If it's ≤300 m away then the BTR-82A does engage, but is seemingly incapable of causing any damage. If a player takes control however, you'll find you can destroy all 3 at up to the maximum engagement range of the APBC-T round (2000 m - though accuracy at that range makes that very challenging). At ranges ≤1000 m though it's fairly trivial for the player to destroy all 3.

BTR-82A_M1126_300m.trk BTR-82A_M1128_300m.trk BTR-82A_M1134_300m.trk BTR-82A_M1126_350m.trk BTR-82A_M1128_350m.trk BTR-82A_M1134_350m.trk BTR-82A_M1126_350m_player.trk BTR-82A_M1128_350m_player.trk BTR-82A_M1134_350m_player.trk BTR-82A_M1126_2000m_player.trk BTR-82A_M1128_2000m_player.trk BTR-82A_M1134_2000m_player.trk

Edited January 24 by Northstar98

[f-18hornet]

Thank you, reported for analysis.