topol-m Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=43286 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I am here, you expect me to be here every 15 minutes? :P I am replying form work wich is forbiden you know? :) But damn, wasnt my posts last night prophetical? I does look like the Yf-23 had a gay marriage with the Su-27 (Front versus rear part of the plane). When you speak of aircraft you speak to it as it's a a woman. You call it She! So you can't say gay but lesbo! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gigz-on Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 You call it She!! One part of the a'crafts are male, another one - female.. :music_whistling: For example: I think it's impossible to call MiG-31 "she".. :) My YouTube Channel:
sniffer Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Still' date=' pretty good security measures to prevent pictures leaking out to the media before yesterday.[/quote'] Yes this is true! I'm pretty much surprised how they hide all this stuff ;) They keep us in real suspend :) Question is what for? ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoyan Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 May be, but my point was that mikoyan probably misused the term / was not aware of its meaning. What I was talking about is that the design of the fuselage on aircraft like the su-27 let the aircraft keep a simetrical air flow trough the airplane body that is why you can do tail slides and cobras without to much danger. This is nothing I came up with. It comes from a British test pilot, and the book of a mig-29 pilot. The lerx combined with the tail and ruder placement, the pasage between the engines is what creates that simetry I'm talkig about. Also if you build models of the mig-29 and su it is notisable that the airplane does't wing rock like other airplanes ;it just drops it's nose.
GGTharos Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Do you know of any jet fighters that produce asymmetrical airflow? Perhaps it has something to do with vortex interactions. AFAIK the MiG and the Sue are tail-heavy which helps. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
gigz-on Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 We can see two different PAK-FAs in this picture! :) ( look at the tail ;) ) My YouTube Channel:
topol-m Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 It`s the same. The first one has the lid for the parachute open. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Does it look like they have an antenna beneath an optical system in the tail? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
hitman Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 that aircraft looks unstable as hell along the yaw axis.
L4key Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Lol ssssh - be vewwy vewwy qwiet! I don't think they noticed...:music_whistling:
sniffer Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Oh... maybe it's flying baloon? Or catoon? :lol: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 No' date=' perhaps I should not be. Still, pretty good security measures to prevent pictures leaking out to the media before yesterday.[/quote'] I saw this exact tailcone year ago and I already said I remember it being very thick, kinda like Su-34. I was published on KnAAPO web page but when I saw an article saying it has a single element empennage I thought this concept was abandoned. Now, the tractor rim on main wheel is actually a standard Su-27 rim from 1982. Hoe do I find it?! I already read that it has some MiG-1.42 design elements but to be honest I do not see those. So this PAK-FA (final solution) reminds me of T-10/S-37 cross with lots of Raptoresque looks. However it seems much larger than Raptor with more edges and curves than Raptor so I believe RCS is inferior to Raptor's! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gigz-on Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 It`s the same. The first one has the lid for the parachute open. Second attempt ;) : 2 My YouTube Channel:
Pilotasso Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 PAK FA will be Russias Superhornet. higher capabilities but doesnt gather the affection of all, even among russians as the forums seem to indicate. .
Sov13t Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Thanks Sherlock. :music_whistling: Not a single bit of technical info is available. No one on the Russian forum even dared to make such statements that you are proclaiming... 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Regiment | Forum | Statistics DCS: MiG-21Bis
Lucas_From_Hell Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Pilotasso, calling the MiG-35 Russia's Super Hornet is acceptable, but PAK-FA...? C'mon, the Super Hornet is a big modernization, but it's still called "Hornet", it looks almost the same, and the F/A-18 designation just received an "E"/"F" in the end. Even saying the Rafale is "France's Super Hornet" wouldn't be quite right. The PAK-FA is a whole different story. Well, it's true that, as all manufacturers, they used some stuff they learned over the years and applied on the project. But the difference from one or two similar details to being just a big modernization is huge ;) 1
Vekkinho Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) We can see two different PAK-FAs in this picture! :) ( look at the tail ;) ) It's a shape shifter! Indeed, lower part of the tailcone is slightly different in the pics with dragchute! However this plane from the first pic never took off, it was used for hi speed taxi down the runway one week ago and it only raised it's nose wheel for a two or three seconds! So yes there are two different protos! Edited January 29, 2010 by Vekkinho [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 C'mon, the Super Hornet is a big modernization, but it's still called "Hornet", it looks almost the same, and the F/A-18 designation just received an "E"/"F" in the end. Actually it is a complete redesign. They kept the looks (ie aerodynamics) and designation for political reasons - no doubt this also saved them some effort. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Lucas_From_Hell Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Yes, GGTharos. But still, the degree of changes isn't comparable to the Su-27/PAK-FA relation.
Kusch Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 gigz-on rulez! :) Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
GGTharos Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 If you're saying it's not a ground-up-completely-new-plane then sure, I agree, but it's really toeing the line here. Because yes, the change from F-18C to E is actually quite significant. Those are NOT the same aircraft. It's very much like the MiG-35 isn't really a MiG-29 ... not even a little. It might look kinda the same, but ... Yes, GGTharos. But still, the degree of changes isn't comparable to the Su-27/PAK-FA relation. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Lucas_From_Hell Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I'm not saying they're not significant, not at all. The Super Hornet is an amazing aircraft, and with next Blocks coming, it will be even better (no wonder it's on our FX-2 shortlist :D). I'm just saying that calling the PAK-FA "Russia's Super Hornet" isn't fair at all. By the way, Gigz-on, are you testing the new Eyeball Mk.2 or what :P?
X-man Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 Second attempt ;) : I think it's just an optical illusion caused by the angles. Certain angles from the "flying" vid corresponds with the runway test pic. 64th Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 135.181.115.54
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