The T-50 (PAK-FA) Thread

[jerom1992]

Somebody has the article itself?

[Pilotasso]

This is an extract of the article I just scanned.

[jerom1992]

Thank you very much for that. Rep sent!!

 

After reading... It seems to me that it is more a probability, nothing has been done yet

Edited March 10, 2010 by jerom1992

[Antartis]

13:50

 

11/03/2010

 

 

 

India and Russia have agreed in general on shared responsibility for the joint development of the fifth-generation fighter, the chairman of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

Moscow and New Delhi are expected to sign a contract on the joint development of the new fighter in the near future, focusing on the design concept and technical requirements put forward by India.

"Currently, broad areas of work sharing have been identified. Composite materials, avionics, etc. could be some of the focus areas of HAL," Ashok Nayak said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

Nayak did not specify the cost of the project but said it would be split evenly between India and Russia.

The sides agreed to develop both a single-seat and a two-seat versions of the aircraft by 2016, focusing on the single-seat version in the initial stages of development.

"Both versions will be put in service with the Indian Air Force," Nayak said.

The HAL chairman said the Indian side had already specified technical requirements for the single-seat version and passed them on to Russian manufacturers.

"The general agreement is that we work on both sides - the Russians and the Indians will cooperate on both versions of the aircraft," he said.

The new aircraft will be most likely based on Russia's T-50 prototype fifth-generation fighter, which has already made two test flights and is expected to join the Russian Air Force in 2015.

Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, was designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at a plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in Russia's Far East.

Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft.

NEW DELHI, March 11 (RIA Novosti)

 

 

 

source

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100311/158159986.html

[Antartis]

From www.aviaport.ru

 

in google translate

 

On the eve of the visit of the Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin in New Delhi in Russia's government reported that an agreement on joint production with the Indians fifth-generation fighter T-50 is unlikely to be achieved within the framework of the visit, although even in late February, the agreement announced. The delegation accompanying Putin on and Mikhail Pogosyan, general director of Sukhoi Design Bureau, created the T-50. About how, in what time frame can now be concluded a deal with India, with Mikhail Pogosyan talks columnist GZT.RU Yuri Zainashev.

 

Why is agreement on a fighter is postponed, Michael Aslanovich? The differences relate to money or performance?

 

There is no disagreement on this issue with our Indian partners do not exist. The only question that we are ready to move faster, and our Indian colleagues need some more time. These talks, which are waging since the beginning of last year, I think we will finish within a few months. In general, there are many questions, but they relate only to how we move forward in implementing this program.

 

Why do Indians prefer the two-seater plane, while you have only a single ready?

 

They plan to use and single, double and airplanes. No specificity is not here. Simply, we initially focused on a single version, but as the program double must also appear.

 

The negotiations have heard estimates of the number of fighters that you could produce with the Indians?

 

Now while negotiations for the holding of joint development work, that is, in the coming months to conclude negotiations on the initial phase of joint development. At this stage the amount of detail is not discussed, but roughly we expect that the total will exceed 600 aircraft.

 

The total lifespan of most of these aircraft - age 60. For example, we began to mass-produce the Su-27 in 1983-1984, and modification of the Su-30 MKI and Su-35 will, I think, be made until at least 2020. In view of this aircraft, which we carry in 2020, I think, will survive until 2050.

 

So when we talk about the timing of production aircraft, it is 25-35 years. And for such a period we will make, I think, well, at least 700, and I appreciate all the market in more than a thousand aircraft.

 

If we take the largest aircraft program's fourth-generation family of Su-27 and Su-30, we put on the market more than 1300 aircraft. For comparison: the American F-15 program - is 1500 planes.

 

With regard to a specific timetable for delivery of aircraft, it is a matter for future negotiations. I think that at least 200-250 aircraft will be delivered to the Air Force in India. I am about to assess the extent of such transfers on the basis of the extent of the program Su-30 MKI, on the basis of the program of the tender, which India holds on a light fighter.

 

Tender for a light fighter, as far as is known, will take place next month, and in Russia. As you might expect, how to grow your chances of success in it after the current visit of Vladimir Putin?

 

Hopefully, this program is on the political level, will now support. The tender is held on the program MRCA (Multi Role Combat Aircraft - a multipurpose tactical aircraft - GZT.RU) - a multi-purpose combat aircraft.

 

We actively participate in the tender, we will demonstrate the MiG-35. In this regard, we look forward to a multi-faceted experience of our previous cooperation with India. But this will not only strengthen the long-term strategic cooperation between our countries, it will be indeed a small but important advantage to the technical and commercial proposals, which we launched in the bidding.

 

You come from a fairly described the advantages of their rivals in this tender?

 

In this tender includes all the leading manufacturers of military aircraft. In Russia, it is primarily the United States, Western Europe. From America - a two aircraft: F-18 firm Boeing and the F-16 Company Lockheed Martin. European projects presented three: the Eurofighter Typhoon - a joint product of Great Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain. This Rafale, a French company which produces Dassault Aviation. Oh, and "flu" - JAS 39, which produces the Swedish company SAAB.

 

We are constantly entering the three most powerful potential participants in the tender. I would to this trio took another F-18 and, probably, Eurofighter.

 

Political support in this tender is for all, but I think that our level of strategic cooperation with India is different from the level of India's cooperation with other countries. But this visit can generally take a comprehensive look at the interaction between the two countries.

source

http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2010/03/12/191688.html

[Antartis]

From www.inosmi.ru

 

Google Translate

 

13/03/2010

 

Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin has chosen March 1, to visit the design bureau Sukhoi, located in Moscow in the house 23 on the street Polikarpov. The visit was an excellent opportunity to demonstrate the former president of the current results of work on the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA program), which made its maiden flight on January 29. Officials were able to see the camera for static tests of T-50-0, and also stands for testing electronics and flight control.

 

New details

 

Newcomers to the press after the visit and the image of T-50-0, of course, offer a few new details, but it is already possible to form an idea of the cockpit of the prototype of the new fighter. This, in general, is a copy of the cockpit Su-35: on the instrument panel are two similar to the MFI-35 multi-function LCD display 23 x 30 cm (1400 x 1080 pixels). However, unlike the Su-35 display in the upper part of the panel is given considerably more space.

 

Taking advantage of this opportunity to congratulate the team of designers T-50, Prime Minister recalled that the aircraft had so far only three test flights, and before production begins to take at least two thousand. Pilot test Sergei Bogdan said that the prototype T-50-1 in the near future will be delivered in Zhukovsky, where in April to resume its test flights. General Director of Sukhoi "Mikhail Pogosyan said that the program of test flights will join another prototype of this year and two additional aircraft in 2011.

 

Pogosyan also made some clarifications regarding the development of new engine T-50: "In the future, the aircraft would need a completely new engine, but its development will require from ten to twelve years." At present, work on the engine has not started yet, and its "financial and technical shape" is still not clear. With all this, he stressed that the current engine AL-41F1 (a modification of the unit Su-35) is the engine of "fifth generation", which allows the aircraft for a long time to go on supersonic speeds without the inclusion of Fast and the Furious. "This is not a temporary engine designed exclusively for the test models," he said in conclusion.

 

Chief Designer of the aircraft, Alexander Davidenko indirectly hinted at the size of the effective area of scattering (ESR) of the future fighter. According to him, the ESR of the old generation aircraft (eg, Su-27) is about 12 m ², whereas the F-22A Raptor, it varies in the range of 0,3-0,4 m ². EPR PAK FA will not be higher than the F-22A, it will be very close to them. "

 

Prospects

 

Mikhail Pogosyan, also took advantage of visiting Prime Minister, to draw a fairly rosy picture of the future sovey company. By 2015, Sukhoi intends to take "12% of world market of combat aircraft, which is around 26 billion dollars. In the period from 2016 to 2025 Pogosyan intends to achieve even greater results due to start production of T-50: "Our market share will grow to 15-16% of the market, ie to 42-48 billion dollars."

 

Vladimir Putin, in turn, recalled the Government's planned investment in the defense industry. "In the next ten years, our armed forces will receive more than 1500 new airplanes and helicopters," he said. In 2010, already had made an order for "27 aircraft and more than five helicopters and five missile systems S-400. In addition, today's Russia is working on creating a new strategic bomber program PAK DA.

 

source

http://www.inosmi.ru/army/20100313/158588233.html

[Vekkinho]

I haven't heard anything on PAK-FA (noone mentioned it in the article I watched) but Indian AirForce gets 20+ naval Fulcrums (MiG-29K and KUB) in this arms deal!

[FeoFUN]

Chief Designer of the aircraft, Alexander Davidenko indirectly hinted at the size of the effective area of scattering (ESR) of the future fighter. According to him, the ESR of the old generation aircraft (eg, Su-27) is about 12 m ², whereas the F-22A Raptor, it varies in the range of 0,3-0,4 m ². EPR PAK FA will not be higher than the F-22A, it will be very close to them.

 

Hmmm...Sukhoi continue to estimate Raptor's RCS far higher than official "metal marble". Russia have RAMs with -40dB, equivalent to US analogs, stealth development principles are known, up to the last formula, since Ufimtsev's monography. So, WTF?! Advertisment meets the real life?

[Pilotasso]

Its propaganda, its too wild and obviously wrong that only the gulible ignorant masses will believe it.

[FeoFUN]

But propaganda of what? Who's need to tell the "gulible ignorant masses" about "0.3-0.4sq.m." instead of "magical 0.0001sq.m"?

 

Finally, Pogosyan mentioned that numbers in his article about stealth.

[zakobi]

JAS 39, which produces the Swedish company SAAB.

 

Isn't it the other way around? :D

[Vekkinho]

Isn't it the other way around? :D

 

Google translator :doh:

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Its propaganda, its too wild and obviously wrong that only the gulible ignorant masses will believe it.

Whose propaganda? I am sure both sides are only talking about their own side of the story. We know that both sides are not innocent when it comes to propaganda and intentional (or unintentional) spin on facts.

[Pilotasso]

Whose propaganda? I am sure both sides are only talking about their own side of the story. We know that both sides are not innocent when it comes to propaganda and intentional (or unintentional) spin on facts.

 

 

 

ok...you basicaly answered you own question there...at least half of it.

 

On the US side, no the spin about RCS is that its classified.

[Antartis]

From paralay.com

 

 

 

 

anyone for translate? :P

[Antartis]

 

Look to my post #882 ;)

[Antartis]

From Russian forum

 

 

 

From paralay

Edited March 18, 2010 by Antartis

[tflash]

He, i'm interested in what he explains from 4:50 onwards; if i'm right, he explains the tactical use of the cobra manoeuvre, in the sense that when you come out of it in the descent you can point your nose to whatever you want?

[Antartis]

Some say that the images are from photoshop, I think they are right ...

[topol-m]

He, i'm interested in what he explains from 4:50 onwards

 

He`s talking about "Helicopter" maneuver. The aircraft is descending in a horizontal position with almost zero forward speed. While descending it can be made to perform series of 360° rotations giving it the possibility to scan its surroundings and attack targets. I`m sceptical about the combat value of such maneuver but I could be wrong.

[GGTharos]

Missile bait. Anyone who see you has a range advantage against you and you have a serious evasion deficit.

[topol-m]

Missile bait. Anyone who see you has a range advantage against you and you have a serious evasion deficit.

 

Pretty much. Maybe it could have uses though in an area with established air superiority with no airborn threats and weak air defense for picking up ground targets. :huh:

[GGTharos]

I guess, but any SAM coming up at you ... eek :)

[topol-m]

I guess, but any SAM coming up at you ... eek :)

 

Yeah, at least it could come out to be a nice airshow maneuver.

[mikoyan]

the superhornet and the raptor can do a similar maneuver but I guess with less aoa since they don't have 3d vectorial engines. this maneuver may be useful on very few circumstances. I say better have such capabilities than wishing to have them.

 

what about the last part of the video, what was he saying while holding that chinese model?

did he say that they help build it since it looks like a bigger yack-130?