Gear Down

[ruddy122]

Besides the obvious, 3 Green Lights.

 

Is there another indication in the Mudhen that the  gear is down?

 

Thanks

[Despayre]

Yes, the wheels are down when you or your wingman look.

[LordOrion]

9 minutes ago, ruddy122 said:

Besides the obvious, 3 Green Lights.

 

Is there another indication in the Mudhen that the  gear is down?

 

Thanks

Higher drag perhaps?

[ruddy122]

Keep Crash Landing in Bagram

Usually Speed Display in HUD will be lower when gear goes down

Doing Safety Check and External View that Gear Down

[LordOrion]

You should also feel some vibration at low speed.

[ruddy122]

Keep Crash Landing in Bagram

Usually Speed Display in HUD will be lower when gear goes down

Doing Safety Check and External View that Gear Down

I know what I did

Flew Mudhen like Hornet on landing 1000+ VVI resulting in hard landings and broken gear

Flying with less VVI in flare prevents gear collapse

Its stick actuator error

[Dragon1-1]

Hornet should land at circa 700fps VVI, same as on a carrier trap. You're landing hard even by Navy standards...

[MAXsenna]

Keep Crash Landing in Bagram
Usually Speed Display in HUD will be lower when gear goes down
Doing Safety Check and External View that Gear Down
I know what I did
Flew Mudhen like Hornet on landing 1000+ VVI resulting in hard landings and broken gear
Flying with less VVI in flare prevents gear collapse
Its stick actuator error

Why are you landing an Eagle as a Hornet?

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[Letusg345]

On 3/26/2025 at 8:28 AM, MAXsenna said:

Why are you landing an Eagle as a Hornet?

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Trying to get a rise out of him?

[SloppyDog]

On 2/22/2025 at 6:43 PM, ruddy122 said:

Keep Crash Landing in Bagram

Usually Speed Display in HUD will be lower when gear goes down

Doing Safety Check and External View that Gear Down

I know what I did

Flew Mudhen like Hornet on landing 1000+ VVI resulting in hard landings and broken gear

Flying with less VVI in flare prevents gear collapse

Its stick actuator error

Watch this video, from Notso, a current Mudhen WSO, which is a Razbam SME:

 

His procedure differs a little bit from the manual, and I find the way he does it easier. He does not worry too much abou AoA before getting to the final.

Then it is: open the speed brake as soon as you cross the runway threshold, nose up (watermark) at 10  degress, after touchdown, aero brake with nose up at 12-13 degress.

You definitively do not land an F-15E, or any other Air Force jet, as the F-18.

The Mudhen is a beast, but you need to take a lot of care when bringing her down.

Do you want to challenge yourself and learn how to land any USAF fighter? Try learning how to land the TF-51. It is a great learning tool. 

Edited April 7 by SloppyDog
Wrong info not in accordance with the video tutorial

[draconus]

5 hours ago, SloppyDog said:

His procedure differs a little bit from the manual, and I find the way he does it easier, with a slight lower angle of attack (19 units AoA).

Then it is: open the speed brake as soon as you cross the runway threshold, nose up (watermark) at 10  degress, after touchdown, aero brake with nose up at 15 degress.

Where do you get these numbers from? He lands by the book with perfect 21-22 uAoA, only after TD there is 18-19. Then he specifically talks about keeping over 12 degrees nose up - while 13 is best. 15 is the high risk of tail strike and no one advises that.

5 hours ago, SloppyDog said:

Do you want to challenge yourself and learn how to land any USAF fighter? Try landing the TF-51. It is a great learning tool.

It might be fun and challenging but it's a totally different world - prop tail dragger vs jet tricycle.

I find your "teachings" highly confusing esp. for novices.

[SloppyDog]

11 hours ago, draconus said:

Where do you get these numbers from? He lands by the book with perfect 21-22 uAoA, only after TD there is 18-19. Then he specifically talks about keeping over 12 degrees nose up - while 13 is best. 15 is the high risk of tail strike and no one advises that.

You are right. I stand corrected. I wrote from memory. Then I watched Notso's video again and saw that his landing was exactly by the book. I didn't want to change my post after that. I should have, as well I should have watched Notso's video before writing my post. My mistake.

11 hours ago, draconus said:

It might be fun and challenging but it's a totally different world - prop tail dragger vs jet tricycle.

I find your "teachings" highly confusing esp. for novices.

Again, my mistake. I assumed that the OP was an experienced Hornet pilot transitioning to the F-15E. My teachings, as you said, are my attempt to help a fellow virtual pilot. But I recon that I didn't express myself in the best way.

And what I meant by learn by using the TF-51 as a learning tool was for the OP to learn the principles behind a good landing.

For example, I started virtually flying in fast jet games, including the mighty old Jane's F-15. Only after I went flying Cessnas in FSX that I properly learned how to land a virtual aircraft. 

Real life pilots go from the T-6A Texan II, then transition to the T-38, then transition to the F-15E. They start learning with a prop (although a turboprop) airplane, then transition to faster and heavier jets. That's way I don't see a problem if anyone starts learning and training with the TF-51. Heck, the Yak-52 would be an even better aircraft to start learning. Because even if particular procedures change, the same principles apply: learning how to safely and confidently fly at slow speed, how to manage throttle and stick inputs to control speed and rate of descent, how to measure the point of landing, etc. All these principles are applied from a Cessna to a 747.

Anyway, that's what I tried to convey. Thank you for pointing my mistakes out and I'll try to be more clear in the future.  

[draconus]

55 minutes ago, SloppyDog said:

For example, I started virtually flying in fast jet games, including the mighty old Jane's F-15.

I started even earlier with 8-bit sims but they never punished me for sloppy nose down landings until the real challenge started in LOMAC F-15 and then in DCS's PFM. Only then I learned to do it properly.