The missing ammo

Silver_Dragon · March 21

On the DCS World directories has some interesting EDM ammunition:

World/Shapes
- 3M54E + booster (from some years ago and never implemented. 887 Kilo sub?).
- 3M54E1 + booster (from some years ago and never implemented. 887 Kilo sub?).
- 7M-1 (Aim-7M. Deprecated?)
- 9M32 (9K32 Strela-2/Sa-7 Grail)
- 9M36 (9K34 «Strela-3»/Sa-14 Gremlin)
- 9M55 (Strangle, use same rocket to simulate 9M55F & 9M55K)
- 9M82 (Old Lomac/FC Sa-22)
- 9M83 (Old Lomac/FC Sa-23)
- 9M119 (Deprecated?).
- 9M119_Svir (Deprecrated? 9M133 Kornet?)
- 48H6E2 (48N6E2 S400 missile?, very old)
- AGM-65I (AGM-65A?)
- AGM-78 (Never Implemented, AGM-78 Standard ARM)
- AGM-84 (Deprecrated?)
- AGM114 (Deprecrated)
- AGM-114 (Deprecrated)
- AGM-123 (Old Lomac/FC AGM-123 Skipper)
- AGM-130 (Never implemented. F-15E?).
- AIM-120A (Never implemented)
- AN-M66 (Never implemented)
- AN-M69 WP (Never implemented)
- BetaB 250 (Old Lomac/FC, antirunway)
- BGM-109E + booster (No implemented?)
- CATM-9X (No implemented)
- CATM-88 (No implemented?)
- CATM-120C (No implemented)
- CBU-100 (No implemented?)
- CBU-24B (No implemented, Similar 3D model to CBU-52 with name changed on texture).
- CBU-78 GATOR (Never Implemented, Minelayer system).
- Cluster_E6R2 (Never Implemented, M69 WW2 Firebomb).
- DRA (Decrepated? pod)
- durandal (Decrepated).
- GBU-15 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented).
- GBU-22 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented).
- GBU-27 (Never implemented?)
- gl-bomba (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, Depth charge?, PLAB-250-120?)
- grab-raketa (Decrepated).
- malahit (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, P-120 Malakhit [SS-N-9 Siren] from disapear Nanuchka-class corvette LC).
- MINE_BLU-91 (Never implemented).
- MINE_BLU-92 (Never implemented).
- MINE_BLU-92_coil (Never implemented).
- Mk-77 (Never implemented, Fire Bomb).
- Mk-40 (Never implemented, DST Mine).
- Mk-82a (Decrepated).
- ODAB (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, ODAB-500PM FAE-Blast bomb)
- PB-250 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemted, OF-250 MARS?)
- PULA (Old Lomac/FC implemented as generic artillery proyectile, to Decrepated).
- R-37 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, Mig-31?)
- Rastrub (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, Rastrub Anti-Ship Complex [SS-N-14b Silex], ASW Standoff Weapons, carry AT-2U/-2UM ASW/ASuW Torpedo / On Kirov ship).
- RBK-500 SHOAB (Never implemented).
- RBK-500 SPBE-D (Never implemented).
- RBK-500U BETAB (Never implemented RBK w/ BETAB-M, antirunway).
- RBK-500U OFAB (Never implemented, RBK w/ OFAB-50UD)
- Strela-2M (Old Lomac/FC, Never implemented, decrepated? Sa-7b)
- t-Mk-18 (Old Lomac/FC, Never implemented, bomb)
- ub-32M1 (Old Lomac/FC, Decrepated)
- UPK-23-25 (Old Lomac/FC, Decrepated)
- V-611 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, M-11 Shtorm [SA-N-3 Goblet], from Old Kerch [Kara cruiser])
- x-15 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-15 [AS-16 Kickback])
- x-23 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-23 Grom [AS-7 Kerry], implemented on Leatherneck/M3 Mig-21Bis)
- x-23L (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-23 Grom [AS-7 Kerry] laser guided)
- x-28 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-28 Nisan-28 [AS-9 Kyle] Antiradar)
- x-55 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-55 RKV-500 [AS-15 Kent] Cruise missile)
- x-59MK (Never Implemented, Kh-59MK Ovod-MK [AS-18 'Kazoo] Cruise missile)
- ZAB-500 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, incendiary bomb)
Weapons directory
- PG-9V: ammo to the SPG-9M Recoiless Rifle.
- ~~PG-16V: ammo to the RPG-16 launcher.~~
- Mk-46: ASW Torpedoe used on S-3/SH-60, some UsN/NATO ships

Has plans to implement that ammunitions on DCS World?

Edited 6 hours ago by Silver_Dragon

Silver_Dragon · August 25

Other missing ammo into the DCS Directories:

Mk-40: Air delibery Destructor (DST) mines (will fitted with Mk 75 DST ACOUSTIC (ACC) & MAG influence fuzing).
Mk-77: Fireye, sucessor from Napalm, incendiary bomb.

Northstar98 · August 25

On 3/21/2025 at 1:23 PM, Silver_Dragon said:

On the DCS World directories has some interesting EDM ammunition:

PG-9V: ammo to the SPG-9M Recoiless Rifle.

PG-16V: ammo to the RPG-16 launcher.

Mk-46: ASW Torpedoe used on S-3/SH-60, some UsN/NATO ships

Has plans to implement that ammunitions on DCS World?

The PG-16V is already implemented and can be seen being fired by "Paratrooper RPG-16".

The Mk 46 appears to be from the South Atlantic assets (the exact same model is present in that directory too, with its inaccuracies - like the nose that's the wrong shape and the rear-most propeller that's a lot smaller than it should be).

Gunfreak · August 25

3 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

The PG-16V is already implemented and can be seen being fired by "Paratrooper RPG-16".

The Mk 46 appears to be from the South Atlantic assets (the exact same model is present in that directory too, with its inaccuracies - like the nose that's the wrong shape and the rear-most propeller that's a lot smaller than it should be).

The RPG fire artillery rounds. Not actual rocket propelled granade. Not sure about damge and damaged radius. But the graphical explosion is too big. It seems to be the exact same explosion effect as the 80mm mortar(which also seem a bit too big)

The ammo type i miss the most besides incendiarys, is the flachetes used by all helicopters that use the Hydra. Common in Vietnam and common in Afghanistan. I know it's on the todo list for the Apache. And probably is waiting for some fragmentation simulation modeling that is missing from bombs and rockets. As they are basically single direction frags(at least how I assume they'll be modeled in DCS)

But flachetes was also commonly used on fast jets with rocket pods. F4s used them a lot in Vietnam. Giving they were safe to use close to friendlies as long as they were fired in a safe direction.

Northstar98 · August 25

9 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

The RPG fire artillery rounds. Not actual rocket propelled granade.

It certainly used to fire a generic shell, but it doesn't any more:

PG-16V_model.trk

Edited August 25 by Northstar98

Silver_Dragon · August 25

3 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

The PG-16V is already implemented and can be seen being fired by "Paratrooper RPG-16".

The Mk 46 appears to be from the South Atlantic assets (the exact same model is present in that directory too, with its inaccuracies - like the nose that's the wrong shape and the rear-most propeller that's a lot smaller than it should be).

Has two Mk-46 into DCS directories, one on the SA assets pack SouthAtlanticAssets directry and another on ED CoreMods > Tech > TechWeaponPack directory. RAZBAM was unable to implement a ASW Weapon (has no a funtionality on the core to make a active/passive guided torpedoe). I talked about the ED TeckWeaponPack, none about 3rd party weapons.

Edited August 25 by Silver_Dragon

Northstar98 · August 25

1 minute ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Negative, All RPG fire artillery shells.

I just posted a set of screenshots and a track that clearly show it doesn't.

1 minute ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Has two Mk-46 into DCS directories, one on the SA assets pack SouthAtlanticAssets directry and another on ED CoreMods > Tech > TechWeaponPack directory. RAZBAM was unable to implement a ASW Weapon (has no a funtionality on the core to make a active/passive guided torpedoe). I talked about the ED TeckWeaponPack, none about 3rd party weapons.

Yes, they are the exact same model,

The one in the ED directory was taken from the SA assets, as that's where this torpedo model originally was.

Edited August 25 by Northstar98

Silver_Dragon · August 25

2 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

I just posted a set of screenshots and a track that clearly show it doesn't.

Nevermind, I dont check them when I refloat the post.

2 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Yes, they are the exact same model. The one in the ED directory was taken from the SA assets.

Meanwhile has the exact model, ED has the total control about add and implement new weapons and funtionality (by 3rd parties).

Edited August 25 by Silver_Dragon

Gunfreak · August 25

1 hour ago, Northstar98 said:

It certainly used to fire a generic shell, but it doesn't any more:

PG-16V_model.trk 153.9 kB · 1 download

Just a few days ago I saw the insurgent rpg fire the artillery shell.

Northstar98 · August 25

3 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Just a few days ago I saw the insurgent rpg fire the artillery shell.

The insurgent one also fires the PG-15V model:

If you change .trk to .miz you'll get the mission file, confirming I used the insurgent one.

PG-16V_Insurgent_model.trk

Gunfreak · August 25

3 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

The insurgent one also fires the PG-15V model:

If you change .trk to .miz you'll get the mission file, confirming I used the insurgent one.

PG-16V_Insurgent_model.trk 103.87 kB · 0 downloads

Strange. I had my track go in super slow motion. And what came out of the RPG was the same artillery shell as always. And this was like a week ago. I'll have to try again. Explosion is still to large, an RPG though. But the graphical effects doesn't necessarily correlate to the damage simulation. But it looks odd that both RPG and 80mm mortar has more or less the same explosion size of a mk82.

Silver_Dragon · 2025-08-31T20:18:25Z

Review DCS W Directories:

World/Shapes
- 3M54E + booster (from some years ago and never implemented. 887 Kilo sub?).
- 3M54E1 + booster (from some years ago and never implemented. 887 Kilo sub?).
- 7M-1 (Aim-7M. Deprecated?)
- 9M32 (9K32 Strela-2/Sa-7 Grail)
- 9M36 (9K34 «Strela-3»/Sa-14 Gremlin)
- 9M55 (Strangle, use same rocket to simulate 9M55F & 9M55K)
- 9M82 (Old Lomac/FC Sa-22)
- 9M83 (Old Lomac/FC Sa-23)
- 9M119 (Deprecated?).
- 9M119_Svir (Deprecrated? 9M133 Kornet?)
- 48H6E2 (48N6E2 S400 missile?, very old)
- AGM-65I (AGM-65A?)
- AGM-78
- AGM-84 (Deprecrated?)
- AGM114 (Deprecrated)
- AGM-114 (Deprecrated)
- AGM-123 (Old Lomac/FC AGM-123 Skipper)
- AGM-130 (Never implemented. F-15E?).
- AIM-120A (Never implemented)
- AN-M66 (Never implemented)
- AN-M69 WP (Never implemented)
- BetaB 250 (Old Lomac/FC, antirunway)
- BGM-109E + booster (No implemented?)
- CATM-9X (No implemented)
- CATM-88 (No implemented?)
- CATM-120C (No implemented)
- CBU-100 (No implemented?)
- CBU-24B (No implemented, Similar 3D model to CBU-52 with name changed on texture).
- CBU-78 GATOR (Never Implemented, Minelayer system).
- Cluster_E6R2 (Never Implemented, M69 WW2 Firebomb).
- DRA (Decrepated? pod)
- durandal (Decrepated).
- GBU-15 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented).
- GBU-22 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented).
- GBU-27 (Never implemented?)
- gl-bomba (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, Depth charge?, PLAB-250-120?)
- grab-raketa (Decrepated).
- malahit (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, P-120 Malakhit [SS-N-9 Siren] from disapear Nanuchka-class corvette LC).
- MINE_BLU-91 (Never implemented).
- MINE_BLU-92 (Never implemented).
- MINE_BLU-92_coil (Never implemented).
- Mk-77 (Never implemented, Fire Bomb).
- Mk-40 (Never implemented, DST Mine).
- Mk-82a (Decrepated).
- ODAB (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, ODAB-500PM FAE-Blast bomb)
- PB-250 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemted, OF-250 MARS?)
- PULA (Old Lomac/FC implemented as generic artillery proyectile, to Decrepated).
- R-37 (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, Mig-31?)
- Rastrub (Old Lomac/FC Never implemented, Rastrub Anti-Ship Complex [SS-N-14b Silex], ASW Standoff Weapons, carry AT-2U/-2UM ASW/ASuW Torpedo / On Kirov ship).
- RBK-500 SHOAB (Never implemented).
- RBK-500 SPBE-D (Never implemented).
- RBK-500U BETAB (Never implemented RBK w/ BETAB-M, antirunway).
- RBK-500U OFAB (Never implemented, RBK w/ OFAB-50UD)
- Strela-2M (Old Lomac/FC, Never implemented, decrepated? Sa-7b)
- t-Mk-18 (Old Lomac/FC, Never implemented, bomb)
- ub-32M1 (Old Lomac/FC, Decrepated)
- UPK-23-25 (Old Lomac/FC, Decrepated)
- V-611 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, M-11 Shtorm [SA-N-3 Goblet], from Old Kerch [Kara cruiser])
- x-15 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-15 [AS-16 Kickback])
- x-23 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-23 Grom [AS-7 Kerry], implemented on Leatherneck/M3 Mig-21Bis)
- x-23L (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-23 Grom [AS-7 Kerry] laser guided)
- x-28 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-28 Nisan-28 [AS-9 Kyle] Antiradar)
- x-55 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, Kh-55 RKV-500 [AS-15 Kent] Cruise missile)
- x-59MK (Never Implemented, Kh-59MK Ovod-MK [AS-18 'Kazoo] Cruise missile)
- ZAB-500 (Old Lomac/FC, Never Implemented, incendiary bomb)

Edited 6 hours ago by Silver_Dragon

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