** UPDATED VERSION ON PAGE 3** Marked up map with SAM sites, air and helo bases etc

[Cyking]

Good topic, here some more additions, maybe you can add them to your list. 

SA3 - West of Parchim Airfield - PE72 - N 53 26.675 E 11 39.872
SA3 - North East of Wismar, coastline - PF70 - N 54 07.917 E 11 40.369
SA3 - West of Rostock, coastline - PF90 - N 54 10.164 E 11 59.099 @Essah not sure if this is the one you mention with west of Rostock PF00, not sure if that is a mistake but there is nothing for me at PF00.
SA3 - Rügen Island, North - UA85 - N 54 39.254 E 13 15.118


 

[Rick Mave]

7 hours ago, Essah said:

the "ammo dump" at Finow airbase is not an ammo dump but a Collectivized farm, as indicated by the tractor parked in the middle.

I like that you were specific about it being a collectivized farm, comrade

[Rick Mave]

7 hours ago, Essah said:

See this thread for marking of some SAM sites and bases. Not nearly all of them I suspect. I found one west of Rostock by the coast for example.

 

I took a look. Currently trying to work out if I can port over the Cold War IADS project to a miz file without manually marking down all the sites myself.
It should be possible but it probably requires a little more fenagling at the moment.

[Blackbahia]

vor 46 Minuten schrieb Cyking:

Good topic, here some more additions, maybe you can add them to your list. 

SA3 - West of Parchim Airfield - PE72 - N 53 26.675 E 11 39.872
SA3 - North East of Wismar, coastline - PF70 - N 54 07.917 E 11 40.369
SA3 - West of Rostock, coastline - PF90 - N 54 10.164 E 11 59.099 @Essah not sure if this is the one you mention with west of Rostock PF00, not sure if that is a mistake but there is nothing for me at PF00.
SA3 - Rügen Island, North - UA85 - N 54 39.254 E 13 15.118


 

It's in PF90

[Blackbahia]

Patriot site Gießen - east of city of Gießen - MB80

[Blackbahia]

Patriot site Rinteln - SE Rinteln - NC17

HAWK site Hameln - NNW of FRG 16 - NC28
HAWK site Barsinghausen - 10nm N of FRG 16 - NC39
HAWK site Wunstorf I - W of Wunstorf - ND11
HAWK site Wunstorf II - N of Wunstorf - ND22

[Rick Mave]

Does anyone have photos of HOW exactly the different Systems would be placed around the two different types of compounds?
I have yet to figure out where exactly to place the Patriot in one of these since there are two elevated platforms for both the HAWK site compound and the Patriot one.
The Patriot only has one S/TR Radar and the HAWK has three different types of radars. The HAWK template even comes with two tracking radars. For now, since there are so many HAWK sites, I reduced them all to one TR each.
Would be interesting to know how exactly this was supposed to be set up.
Same with the soviet sites. Usually they come with a mobile EWR. Which one would be placed on TOP of the revetment? The Search or the TR? (I assumed the TR if it was not a mobile system like SA-4 or SA-6).

[Mr_sukebe]

9 hours ago, Essah said:

I've compiled a list of all the SAM sites I've found or other people have found and shared. Ugra have mentioned that there are 40 sites included with phase 1, so we're missing a lot
this list is only for sites that have infrastructure in the Germany map. historical sites that are not present in game are not relevant here. Otherwise please contribute, I'll update the OP with your contributions.
Be careful not to mistake tank ranges or collective farms for SAM sites.

Name - Location description - MGRS grid

HAWK:
Fulda Hawk - Forest west of Fulda - NB30
H FRG 51 Hawk -- Forest west of FRG51 -  LV79

SA-5
Fulda SA-5 - SW of H Med GDR 14 - NB81
Rostock SA-5 - Fields SE of Rostock - UV29
Magdeburg Sa-5 - Field east of Magdeburg - TT98
Erfurt SA-5 - Field north of Erfurt - PB85
Berlin SA-5 - Field north of berlin, west of Templin - UU87
 
SA-3
Leipzig SA-3 -Field east of Leipzig - US39
Allstedt SA-3 - Field north west of Allestedt - PB69
Merseburg SA-3 - Field West of Merseburg - PB99
Sparenberg SA-3 - Field north of Sparenberg - UT88
Wittstock SA-3 - Field north west of Wittstock
Rostock SA-3 - Field west of rostock by the coast - PF00
 

 

Great thread idea, my thanks.

The location of the Wittstock is UV20

Other locations that I've found are:

PC93 - SA3?

PC93 - SA3?

 

Unfortunately I don't know what would really be sited there, just guestimating.  The SA5 sites are clearly different in their design.

 

Edited April 19 by Mr_sukebe

[Mqxle]

Hi folks,
I would like to present you my current project based on the new Cold War Germany map. On the map I have used all the SAMs I know from the “IADS Project” by @Whiskey11 with a few changes from a gameplay point of view:

• SA-4 were replaced with SA-11
• NIKE was left out completely
• Positions without a modeled position are placed in the correct region and in sensible locations from a gameplay perspective (only a few kilometers different)
• MPDR 30 has been replaced with Roland
• SAMs in Berlin are fictitious.
• SA-10 was left out completely

There are really a lot of units, so I created a diluted version. The mission is SkyNet ready and the .lua file is also attached.

I try to complete the map “regularly” with updates as well. If you have any questions or other concerns, feel free to contact me on my Discord https://discord.gg/ZBUraDkfCj or personally on Discord “Mqxle”

CWGER_Template.miz CWGER_Template_thinned.miz MyIADS.lua

Edited April 19 by Mqxle

[Flanking Moustache]

SA-3 site west of Mahlwinkel, PD80.
SA-3 site south of Quedlinburg, PC43.

Edited April 19 by Flanking Moustache

[okopanja]

19 minutes ago, Mqxle said:

MPDR 30 has been replaced with Roland

the former is gap filler radar, not a SAM, the later is simply short range sam.

[Essah]

2 hours ago, Rick Mave said:

Does anyone have photos of HOW exactly the different Systems would be placed around the two different types of compounds?
I have yet to figure out where exactly to place the Patriot in one of these since there are two elevated platforms for both the HAWK site compound and the Patriot one.
The Patriot only has one S/TR Radar and the HAWK has three different types of radars. The HAWK template even comes with two tracking radars. For now, since there are so many HAWK sites, I reduced them all to one TR each.
Would be interesting to know how exactly this was supposed to be set up.
Same with the soviet sites. Usually they come with a mobile EWR. Which one would be placed on TOP of the revetment? The Search or the TR? (I assumed the TR if it was not a mobile system like SA-4 or SA-6).

see https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-A.html
 

OP updated with everyone's contributions. fixed errors 
Thanks for participating. We're up to 31, so we're missing 9.

[Mr_sukebe]

One thought, the SA5s have massive engagement ranges.  Plonking them in as is may well result in them shooting at western aircraft over west Germany.

Personally I've set them to late activation, and have set them to only wake up if a western coalition aircraft goes into the eastern zone.

[Mqxle]

vor 49 Minuten schrieb okopanja:

the former is gap filler radar, not a SAM, the later is simply short range sam.

Yeah, I mean the Roland radar vehicle

[Blackbahia]

HAWK site Bremen - NE of Bremen - ND09
HAWK site Paderborn - E of FRG 11 - MC93

[Avenger31]

hnks o Ian Boys and his awsome work with marked positions, I've managed to add some units on placable sites, and also found in some free resources positions of NATO deffences, I am sure that I am missing a lot but at least just wanted to help little.

CWG WITH MARKED POSITIONS AND SAMs.miz

[Blackbahia]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Mr_sukebe:

 

Great thread idea, my thanks.

The location of the Wittstock is UV20

Other locations that I've found are:

PC93 - SA3?

PC93 - SA3?

 

Unfortunately I don't know what would really be sited there, just guestimating.  The SA5 sites are clearly different in their design.

 

Yes, is a SA-3 Site

[sith1144]

Theres an SA-5 site just east of Apolda, FRAG-511, but IRL this was never operational. MGRS 32 U PB 84163 57991. 

[Mr_sukebe]

OK, I've tried to get all of the above into my sandbox mission (attached).

That mission has:

• SAM sites, as above
• Additional local airfield SAMs
• 1985 period(ish) aircraft for both sides.  They'll need to have newer weapons and things like JCHMS made unavailable
• I've tried correctly name at least the Soviet air groups based upon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_military_sites_in_Germany
• A NATO carrier group in the Baltics
• I've started adding location markers for known tank units from the Soviet side
• CSAR/CTLD

It's far from finished or perfect, but might save someone a lot of time getting to this point.

===========================

Update:

The v.2 version of the mission was simply too complex, and really stuffed my frame rate.  Not a GPU issue.  It was my 7800x3d running out of steam.

I've thinned out the number of SAM sites to avoid CPU bottlenecks and have made other enhancements.  See later in this thread for new versions.

 

 

 

Edited April 23 by Mr_sukebe

[winghunter]

Hope this helps

[Essah]

33/40. seven to go. *
Updated my post. Since the post was merged you have to find the list near the end of page 1.

* updated

Edited April 19 by Essah

[Shoelace Bandit]

9 hours ago, Essah said:

33/40. seven to go. *
Updated my post. Since the post was merged you have to find the list near the end of page 1.

* updated

SA-3, UU45, bottom right corner

SA-3, UU51, top left corner

[Flanking Moustache]

Found another!

SA-3, NB80, south of the SA-5 site in NB81.

Edited April 20 by Flanking Moustache

[mmarques]

Shouldn't there be some Patriot sites as well?

[Blackbahia]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb mmarques:

Shouldn't there be some Patriot sites as well?

Yes, they are...look in the list from Essah