Moza new flight sim line up

[rapid]

Seem like Moza is pumping more into the Flight sim industry .

Hope  Aapje will be pleased. 

 

 

Edited June 20 by rapid

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Only point of interest is: where in the 'Verse the other guy actual product?  Not trying to start any fight. I am happy with my setup, so my opinion does not really matter.

[rapid]

Hey man just posting some news. I too am not looking any smoke just adding information into my flight community.

You can run down the company punch holes in the start up companies rhetoric which will help inform others so it's all good.

Been with DCS since 2008 and I feel the more companies that pop up will only fuel innovation and help bring down prices. 

 

Edited June 21 by rapid

[Stewmanji]

Thanks for sharing! I'll be in attendance at FSExpo this year (hope to see some other DCS fans there as well) so I'll try to share some pictures/videos from the show floor if I can snag any.

Totally agree with you @rapid, the more the merrier in terms of competition in the market. In the end, enthusiasts like us benefit.

[Aapje]

On 6/20/2025 at 3:49 PM, rapid said:

Seem like Moza is pumping more into the Flight sim industry .

Hope Aapje will be pleased. 

Well, I am rather critical of how Moza has a tendency to throw half-finished products onto the market, in particular on the software-side. That said, I like how they are committed, unlike Thrustmaster, who develop the occasional new product for simming, but fail to create a fully developed eco-system, even though that is the new meta. Upstarts like Moza are actually acting like a big company that can afford to create a breadth of products, while companies that ought to be capable of that, and definitely have the history and brand name, utterly fail to deliver. 

I am also quite happy with my Moza racing wheel, but I only bought it once they sorted out their offering.

What I find attractive about the Moza AB9 is that they are making it into a multi-function product, which can be used both for racing and flight, which is very nice for those of us who do both.

Anyway, my advice in general would be to salivate over the new stuff all you want, but then remember that words are cheap, and actually delivering things to customers is hard, so you only know what you are actually getting for your money once regular people get the product and tell us what the actual strengths and weaknesses are. Buying anything before that is essentially just gambling with your money.

[rapid]

20 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Well, I am rather critical of how Moza has a tendency to throw half-finished products onto the market, in particular on the software-side. That said, I like how they are committed, unlike Thrustmaster, who develop the occasional new product for simming, but fail to create a fully developed eco-system, even though that is the new meta. Upstarts like Moza are actually acting like a big company that can afford to create a breadth of products, while companies that ought to be capable of that, and definitely have the history and brand name, utterly fail to deliver. 

I am also quite happy with my Moza racing wheel, but I only bought it once they sorted out their offering.

What I find attractive about the Moza AB9 is that they are making it into a multi-function product, which can be used both for racing and flight, which is very nice for those of us who do both.

Anyway, my advice in general would be to salivate over the new stuff all you want, but then remember that words are cheap, and actually delivering things to customers is hard, so you only know what you are actually getting for your money once regular people get the product and tell us what the actual strengths and weaknesses are. Buying anything before that is essentially just gambling with your money.

No arguments here sir.

[rapid]

Got more of the  reveal but what caught my eye is the AB6 FFB I can see green LED's on it.

 

 

 

Edited June 27 by rapid

[Aapje]

Yeah, I got the mail too. Very intrigued by the 4.4 Nm AB6 base. Unfortunately we haven't been given a price, perhaps they'll announce that at FS Expo. If they shave off quite a bit of the price compared to the AB9, it may get very competitive with the top non-FFB bases.

https://mozaracing.com/flight/ab6-mhg-bundle/

I also wonder what the deal is with the new grip compared to the MH16 (which is not so good). Is it supposed to be a cheaper grip? Or a different use case? Not sure at first glance.

[Aapje]

I took a further look at the grip, and it is plastic vs metal for the MH16, and is missing the brake lever, so it must be a cheaper grip.

1 hour ago, rapid said:

Got more of the  reveal but what caught my eye is the AB6 FFB I can see green LED's on it.

Those are two rows of buttons (4 on each side) with RGB lighting. And they put two sliders on the front (unclear if they are encoders or axes).

That makes me think that they also have to do a refresh of the AB9 to add these features, since now the AB9 is a downgrade in some ways, which would be weird.

Edited June 27 by Aapje

[rapid]

Going by the numbers would you not say that AB6 is the little Brother to the AB9?

AB6 = 6Nm PT while the AB9 is 12Nm PT. could be an entry level FFB?

 

[Aapje]

Yes, of course. It's smaller too and almost certainly far lighter. Still too high for on desktop, but plenty people have cheap, weak desks, so it might be a better option for some people anyway.

 

[freehand]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

Yes, of course. It's smaller too and almost certainly far lighter. Still too high for on desktop, but plenty people have cheap, weak desks, so it might be a better option for some people anyway.

 

Do you own a FFB stick ?

[Aapje]

This link hasn't been posted yet: https://mozaracing.com/blog/2025/06/27/moza-releases-at-flightsimexpo-2025/

[Aapje]

23 minutes ago, freehand said:

Do you own a FFB stick ?

Not yet, I'm still not entirely happy with the available products. But my interest means that I keep an eye on things, and I maintain a post with data for the available FFB bases on the IL-2 forum, mainly because it is helpful as reference material, when new things get released, or I want to verify some details.

[MAXsenna]

Yes, of course. It's smaller too and almost certainly far lighter. Still too high for on desktop, but plenty people have cheap, weak desks, so it might be a better option for some people anyway.
 

And it will probably be absolutely perfect for rotor heads. If the price is right, they will make killing.

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk

[rapid]

Look at all this innovation and not a peep out of T.M shameful.

[Aapje]

Pretty sad, really. Their most recent product that brings anything to the flight sim market are the TPR pedals, and those are 7 years old. Other than that, the only edge they have is that in certain countries, importing stuff yourself is taxed way more than when shops do it, so things that are sold in local shops like the T.16000M and/or Warthog set then have way less of a markup than products that are not available in their local shops.

Anyway, the AB9 seems to weigh 7 kg and the AB6 only 3 kg, so less than half the weight. Interestingly, the weight of the AB9 is not actually visible on the Moza product page. I had to view the source code of the page to find the information hidden there. Why, Moza, why?

[Dogmanbird]

its an exciting time for controllers

 

[propeler]

On 6/27/2025 at 8:03 PM, Aapje said:

Not yet, I'm still not entirely happy with the available products.

What's wrong with all current options?  You are constantly talking about FFB and how good are cheaper options but still don't own Moza?

[Aapje]

11 hours ago, propeler said:

What's wrong with all current options?  You are constantly talking about FFB and how good are cheaper options but still don't own Moza?

I have not actually been talking about how good cheaper options are (more that they could be), but other than that you have a good point. I was holding off due to the Virpil ghost button clicks issue and other software issues, and the plan was to re-evaluate around Black Friday, once there are more options. However, realistically, the Moza seems the best option, also due to the shifter-feature. And I just saw that a local shop has a big discount on the base, so I should probably take advantage of that.

Edited June 30 by Aapje

[Vakarian]

Wondering what they stole this time...

[zcaa0g]

50 minutes ago, Vakarian said:

Wondering what they stole this time...

What they did was extremely lame, but we are beating a dead horse at this point.

[Vakarian]

Maybe, but there are still people who are unaware. Now when there's more vendors emerging in a FFB market that is something worth reminding so people can make a better informed judgement. That ain't cheap

[tekwoj]

On 6/27/2025 at 7:37 PM, freehand said:

Do you own a FFB stick ?

I do, regrettably. Software is bad, firmware is bad. Hardware, the base is ok, I don't have the MH-16 stick but there are multiple reports of hat switches popping out and people having to glue them.

If you want concrete examples that are related to DCS:

• modules without full telemetry support : Phantom, Kiowa, Chinook, Corsair
• base is not using full power and range for the Direct Input effects, the force cuts off at around 90% axis with  10/16th of power
• VRS effect for helicopters is modeled so poorly everyone should keep it disabled. Active regardless of your IAS and pitch, just depends on your vertical speed, but activates both up and down.
• Heli telemetry effects in general feel not working as they should
• A lot of users reports frequent loss of effects - I've experienced it mostly in FC3 modules when alt-tabbing. Takes a moment before the effects are back.
• Options to adjust force curve are VERY poor, so regardless of what you set up, you end up with a stick being mushy in the center

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I have the MH-16 and does not have switches popping out. Since I use mine solely as a F-16C/F-22A stick, the stick never stops working against me and it could cause "wrist damage" after used long hours I am sure I am not any representative or concrete examples...

Edited June 30 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants