Latest Update Destroyed all my keybinds - Even after Restoring Saved copies...

[Gabreil]

Before i did the update to the latest version,  as always, i did a full backup of DCS World folder and Saved Games folder.

Normally,  after the update i copy/paste the backup input folders back into DCS which restores all the keybinds for my various controllers.  I've done this numerous times in the past and its always worked.

This time, doing the same thing has resulted in almost nothing working.  A few keybinds work but for the most, when looking in DCS Contorller configs, there are no keybinds listed against the device. 

Has something fundamentally changed with the way the controllers now work with the associated joystick and keyboard .lua files?   For the CH47, its pretty much put me back to square one.. with hours and hours of configuration down the drain.   

I'd be keen to hear if others have experiend this and if its had the same impact as it has for me.. and perhaps if you've managed to get around this?

For reference i've replaced from backups:

DCS\mods\aircraft\CH47\Inputs (which normally restores all my saved keybinds) 

Saved Games\config\inputs\CH47

Saved Games\DCS\InputCommands\CH47

 

Just to add...  Even if ED could give a brief explanation on whats changed and if its even possible to re-import backups would be helpful.

Edited Monday at 11:55 AM by Gabreil

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

I'd be keen to hear if others have experiend this and if its had the same impact as it has for me.. and perhaps if you've managed to get around this?

 

I have experienced it, but only on a few occasions, like after a Windows reinstall, or when a DCS developer has introduced new control bindings for their aircraft.

 

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

Before i did the update to the latest version,  as always, i did a full backup of DCS World folder

 

I never backup the DCS program folder, for one it currently uses 815 GB and I don't have enough free drive space for such a backup, and on the other I can always download any missing or damaged file from this folder using the "DCS_Updater.exe Repair" command.

 

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

and Saved Games folder.

 

Yes, its always useful to have a backup of it and it is usually small enough, mine is just 7.1 GB. However, on my case I prefer to have a continuous backup, by placing most DCS config folders on a Cloud Drive using windows hard links:

 

 

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

Normally,  after the update i copy/paste the backup input folders back into DCS which restores all the keybinds for my various controllers.  I've done this numerous times in the past and its always worked.

 

This only works if the updated DCS does not include new bindings on some modules, or if the Windows USB configuration has not changed between the backup and the restore. Besides, it is unnecesary as DCS updates never touches your Saved Games folder. Before updating DCS I only disable all my user mods, for this I employ the OvGME mod manager utility, and re-enable them after the update.

 

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

This time, doing the same thing has resulted in almost nothing working.  A few keybinds work but for the most, when looking in DCS Contorller configs, there are no keybinds listed against the device. 

 

Can you show us the contents of your CH47 input folder? I don't have that Module, but for example my F-18 folder looks like this:

 

 

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

Has something fundamentally changed with the way the controllers now work with the associated joystick and keyboard .lua files?  

 

No, it is still the same.

 

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

For the CH47, its pretty much put me back to square one.. with hours and hours of configuration down the drain.   

 

Not necessarily, most likely your bindings still are there, on my capture above you can see that for every device I have several bindings files, this is because DCS will generate a new one when the Windows USB ID of a device has changed.

 

Eduardo

[Gabreil]

@Rudel_chw

Thanks.  Your image showing the list of joysticks and their ID numbers is exactly what i have for the CH47.  None of the controllers have changed.     As i mentioned the method i've used for the past couple of years has worked flawlessly, so i am quite happy with the way ive tried to restore saved files.    This is directly related to the CH47 - and i think the addition of extra keybinds is the most likely cause.    I now have lots of Red ! in my config setup which were not there prior to the update. 

[Gabreil]

I've just read an article on the helios website regarding the helios profile stopping working after the update.  It seems to indicate that the reason things have stopped working is due to the addtion of new keybinds and shifting keybinds id's.      From what i can deduce - e.g.    if  Your button was bound to a DCS CH47 command which for example had an ID of 100, the update now makes ID 100 something else...  hence saved joystick/keyboard .lua files now not working.    Thats how i understand it... i may be wrong.  

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Gabreil said:

This is directly related to the CH47 - and i think the addition of extra keybinds is the most likely cause.    I now have lots of Red ! in my config setup which were not there prior to the update. 

 

I agree .. the developer should warn on the changelogs whenever they alter  the keybindings, alerting the users that they may have to re-bind.  Aerges and Razbam used to put this kind of warning on their changelogs, ED should have done the same.

[Tom Kazansky]

3 hours ago, Gabreil said:

Normally,  after the update i copy/paste the backup input folders back into DCS which restores all the keybinds for my various controllers.

 Like @Rudel_chw mentioned, this procedure is highly questionable if not dangerous, since it prevents the update from updating your bindings to the new version, in case something has changed. And you lose the updated version of the input folder btw.

It's good to have a backup of the input folder if something goes wrong, but I'd never copy the old version to replace the updated one when it is not indicated by an issue.

[Gabreil]

Yeah a warning would be good.. At least you could better prepare and make some notes etc..     and @Tom Kazansky you are right, its not the best method.. but till now something was better than nothing!

I started rebinding earlier..  The hardest part is remembering if you used On, Off or on/off toggle and such like.