not planned How about more modern RED planes in FC standard?

[SteelPig]

Just now, BIGNEWY said:

Oh no, we seem to have started down the game / simulation rabbit hole. 

DCS is a simulation game, a sandbox, for entertainment purposes. 

 

Sorry for that, but I think the reason why this becomes a rabbit-hole everytime is the fact that the terms doesn't tell what many people think they tell. So people can put into what they want and start arguing about the nature of DCS using this terms. 

[BIGNEWY]

No worries, DCS can be whatever you want it to be, its yours to enjoy and have fun with. Play it your own way.  

[draconus]

8 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

Great link, but: All it does is outsourcing the question

If the whole wiki article won't help you nothing will. The main point is that video game is a computer program that lets you play and have fun using the computer, input and display devices. And the other take away is that simulation is subgenre of video games. That's all to it.

[SteelPig]

21 minutes ago, draconus said:

If the whole wiki article won't help you nothing will. The main point is that video game is a computer program that lets you play and have fun using the computer, input and display devices. And the other take away is that simulation is subgenre of video games. That's all to it.

 So, PS5 has no video games?
A podcast is a video game? Cause I listen via computer and start it via mouse and keyboard?

I don't mean to troll you. I want to show the problems when you try to define things in a way it will be:

1. widely accepted
2. useful as a definition cause it tells you something about the nature of the subject. 

[Lace]

FWIW a game has rules, boundaries and fairness.  Chess is a game, Backgammon is a game, Tetris is a game.  DCS is more like a toy, there are no inherent rules on what you can or can't do beyond the limitations of the modules and physics engine, there is no in-built fairness, and if a server has a blue bias, then that is down to the individual creator.  Some people try to use it like a game (PVP A2A tournaments for instance), some use it as a toy (Grim Reaper's YT channel a prime example, or flying a Viper from an Essex-class carrier).  There are loads of servers out there and I'm sure you can find one which caters to your needs, and if not, start your own.  There is no right or wrong however, and ED is under no obligation to match red vs blue capabilities (and has repeatedly stated that it is not possible to do so anyway).

Always worth remembering - militaries are not built on 'fairness'.  If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed up in planning. 

[SteelPig]

4 minutes ago, Lace said:

FWIW a game has rules, boundaries and fairness.  Chess is a game, Backgammon is a game, Tetris is a game.  DCS is more like a toy, there are no inherent rules on what you can or can't do beyond the limitations of the modules and physics engine, there is no in-built fairness, and if a server has a blue bias, then that is down to the individual creator.  Some people try to use it like a game (PVP A2A tournaments for instance), some use it as a toy (Grim Reaper's YT channel a prime example, or flying a Viper from an Essex-class carrier).  There are loads of servers out there and I'm sure you can find one which caters to your needs, and if not, start your own.  There is no right or wrong however, and ED is under no obligation to match red vs blue capabilities (and has repeatedly stated that it is not possible to do so anyway).

Always worth remembering - militaries are not built on 'fairness'.  If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed up in planning. 

Small sidepoint: Everything has rules. A rule doesn't need to be man-made to exist. 

[draconus]

49 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

I don't mean to troll you. I want to show the problems when you try to define things in a way it will be:

1. widely accepted
2. useful as a definition cause it tells you something about the nature of the subject.

No, you're trolling. There's no "problem". Wiki has full, most useful and widely accepted definition.

[SteelPig]

24 minutes ago, draconus said:

No, you're trolling. There's no "problem". Wiki has full, most useful and widely accepted definition.

If that fits for you, fine. But that doesn't define it has to fit for me too when I have arguments why it doesn't. You can label it trolling then, but what you do in fact is avoiding to answer the questions cause you don't want to think about it. And that's fine as well. But if you don't have to add something to the questions, then maybe just leave the discussion. 

Edited July 9 by SteelPig

[draconus]

11 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

You can label it trolling then, but what you do in fact is avoiding to answer the questions cause you don't want to think about it. And that's fine as well. But if you don't have to add something to the questions, then maybe just leave the discussion.

I believe you know the answers already and I don't find your questions about PS5 or podcasts relevant to the topic at hand.

[SteelPig]

7 minutes ago, draconus said:

I believe you know the answers already and I don't find your questions about PS5 or podcasts relevant to the topic at hand.

No, I don't. Cause at the moment there is no final answer to the question what a video game is. There are some definitions, every one of them with it's own problems. 

My questions were a tool to show you the problems of the definition you offered. And I already told you that.