I ordered a RTX 5090 FE...what have I done?

[Hiob]

I hope, that the next flagship card from AMD will be competitive. Even if it gives just 90% of the performance of the 5090 (well, the equivalent next gen card. I won’t upgrade from a 4090 to a 5090).

I’m so done with Nvidia right now. Sick of companies turning evil once they built their empire with the customers they then proceed to kick to the curbs.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

They should just split off the GeForce department, then nVidia can focus on AI as much as they want without negatively affecting gamers.

Speaking of a company that forgot where it came from… And AMD isn’t that much better at the moment since they copy nVidia on pretty much everything these days including consumer unfriendly behaviour.

I hope that iNTEL gets their cards (and especially drivers!) working properly so we can have a proper 3rd player.

[SharpeXB]

I’m curious where all these different versions of “Nvidia” come from…
nVidia? 
NVidia?

 

Edited Friday at 11:55 PM by SharpeXB

[Hiob]

9 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

I’m curious where all these different versions of “Nvidia” come from…
nVidia? 
NVidia?

 

 You are certainly a top contender to start my ignore list with…..

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

9 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

I’m curious where all these different versions of “Nvidia” come from…
nVidia? 
NVidia?

 

I've been using nVidia for ages, but it should in fact be nVIDIA. And I remembered "intel" wrong: I've been using iNTEL for ages too.

 

7 minutes ago, Hiob said:

 You are certainly a top contender to start my ignore list with…..

Personally I don't do ignore lists, but looking around the forum these past few years you're far from the first, and will likely not be the last either  

[Hiob]

3 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Personally I don't do ignore lists,….

yeah, me neither usually, but I get tempted every now and then….. 

Anyhow, where were we? Ah, yes, bashing NviDiA….. 

[SharpeXB]

4 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I've been using nVidia for ages, but it should in fact be nVIDIA.

nVIDIA is the stylized logo text. The written form of the name is Nvidia or NVIDIA. 

Edited Saturday at 02:18 PM by SharpeXB

[rapid]

Well too late now all the parts are here just waiting on the Ram.

[rapid]

On 7/25/2025 at 4:22 PM, Hiob said:

I hope, that the next flagship card from AMD will be competitive. Even if it gives just 90% of the performance of the 5090 (well, the equivalent next gen card. I won’t upgrade from a 4090 to a 5090).

I’m so done with Nvidia right now. Sick of companies turning evil once they built their empire with the customers they then proceed to kick to the curbs.

To be honest this was caused by the Scalpers during covid.

Nvidia saw that the scalpers were able to demand stupid money for the cards and people like mugs paid the overly inflated asking price that the scalpers were asking.

Nvidia took note of this and said if they can do it why can't WE! 

And they have been doing this ever since.

[rapid]

Just waiting for the Ram to turn up now.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

3 minutes ago, rapid said:

Just waiting for the Ram to turn up now.

Have fun building! I recently built a new PC for myself with the exact same motherboard  

[rapid]

9 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Have fun building! I recently built a new PC for myself with the exact same motherboard  

Nice one!

Not got round to it yet untill I begin the build but how many M.2 could I populate before PCI Slot 1'# drops its speed?

                                                                                                

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

10 hours ago, rapid said:

how many M.2 could I populate before PCI Slot 1'# drops its speed?                                          

Three. I use two myself: 2_4 and 2_5. The ones closest to the primary X16 slot are Gen5 but using those makes the primary PCIe drop to x8, so basically the board supports Gen 5 NVMe in theory only.

But then again, why would you want one? It’s a lot more expensive and in daily use you won’t notice the difference - unless you’re a content creator who moves massive files around all the time.

Edited 20 hours ago by Raven (Elysian Angel)
wrong information - see below for corrections by kksnowbear

[rapid]

7 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Three. I use two myself: 2_4 and 2_5. The ones closest to the primary X16 slot are Gen5 but using those makes the primary PCIe drop to x8, so basically the board supports Gen 5 NVMe in theory only.

But then again, why would you want one? It’s a lot more expensive and in daily use you won’t notice the difference - unless you’re a content creator who moves massive files around all the time.

Hold on....So if I populate anyone of the top three slots with a M.2 it will drop the speeds of the top PCI-E socket  to x8?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

2 hours ago, rapid said:

Hold on....So if I populate anyone of the top three slots with a M.2 it will drop the speeds of the top PCI-E socket  to x8?

Yes. Two out of those three, yes.

Edited 20 hours ago by Raven (Elysian Angel)
wrong information - see below for corrections by kksnowbear

[kksnowbear]

34 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Yes.

Pretty sure that is not accurate.

The M.2 slot next to the RAM (M2_1) uses four PCIe 5 lanes directly from the CPU, and the GPU slot uses 16 PCIe lanes directly from the CPU.  Neither of these is affected by the other, provided that only those two are populated.

M2_2 and M2_3 use lanes shared with the primary GPU slot.  This allows a bifurcated configuration which splits 16 of the CPUs PCIe 5 lanes to x8/x4/x4 if desired. (8 for GPU, 4 each for those two M.2 slots.)  Populating these M.2 slots would drop the GPU slot to 8 lanes - by design.  This is for people who prefer more storage, considering that 16 PCIe 5 lanes aren't really going to be affected by running at 8 instead of 16 with current GPUs.

M2_4 and M2_5 use four chipset PCIe 4.0 lanes each, which are not shared at all.

You can run two Gen4 drives and one Gen5 drive, all at 4 lanes each (i.e. full speed). This is no different than an X670 chipset/board.  Use M2_1, _4 and _5.

The only reason for the board supporting bifurcation is to support more storage (five slots, at the expense of sharing CPU PCIe lanes).

Note this assumes a supported CPU is used. 9000 and 7000 series CPUs support this; 8000 series do not.

All of this is covered in the manual and on the Asus website. 

Edited 21 hours ago by kksnowbear

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

11 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Pretty sure that is not accurate.

The M.2 slot next to the RAM (M2_1) uses four PCIe 5 lanes directly from the CPU, and the GPU slot uses 16 PCIe lanes directly from the CPU.  Neither of these is affected by the other.  

M2_2 and M2_3 use lanes shared with the primary GPU slot.  This allows a bifurcated configuration which splits 16 of the CPUs PCIe 5 lanes to x8/x4/x4 if desired. (8 for GPU, 4 each for those two M.2 slots.)  Populating these M.2 slot a would drop the GPU slot to 8 lanes - by design.  This is for people who prefer more storage, considering that 16 PCIe 5 lanes aren't really going to be affected by running at 8 instead of 16 with current GPUs.

M2_4 and M2_5 use four chipset PCIe 4.0 lanes each, which are not shared at all.

Note this assumes a supported CPU is used, as outlined on the website and in the manual. 9000 and 7000 series CPUs support this; 8000 series do not.

That actually makes a lot more sense. I don't find the manual clear on this topic, so I decided to play it safe and use 2_4 and 2_5. I was aware some lanes go to the CPU and others to the chipset, but there really should have been a very clear diagramme explaining all that...
Things are similar to the USB slots on the rear I/O panel: just because there's an X amount of slots available, doesn't mean you can use all of them at the same time and expect everything to work. There's a HUB video that explains that, luckily.

[kksnowbear]

Actually it is documented fairly well, in several places in the manual.

It is also not entirely accurate to say that there is no benefit to using PCIe 5.0 storage.  In the simplest of terms, the faster a storage device fulfills a request for data, the more responsive the system.  This can benefit games beyond just decreased loading times.

There will invariably be those to come along and dispute this. Their opinions are at odds with fact.

It is true Gen5 storage generally costs more per unit storage.  This is as simple as "You get what you pay for".  It's nowhere nearly as bad as some people make it out to be: The speed of PCIe 5 storage (for a good drive) is doubled, but the cost is ~20% more depending on the drive size etc.  In the case of a 2TB drive, a very good PCIe 5 drive costs around $30 more than a 2TB 990 Pro, arguably the best PCIe 4 drive available.  That $30 cost difference represents far less than 1% (maybe even as little as 0.5%... yes, one half of one percent) of a build like the one being discussed in this thread.

That should make sense to anyone who spends several thousand on a gaming PC...particularly anyone who bought a 5090.  Whether it's "worth it" or "makes sense" is entirely up to the individual; the fact that it can improve performance is a separate matter. (Hint: If someone's idea of "improved performance" is based strictly on frame rates, they are already missing the point).

Edited 1 hour ago by kksnowbear

[rapid]

Going by what I read in the Manual and the above advice looks like it is better to populate M2_1 only and just use lower M2_4_5 if required.

Drat! DDR5 Ram not coming now till the 6th August .

Edited 7 hours ago by rapid

[kksnowbear]

6 hours ago, rapid said:

Going by what I read in the Manual and the above advice looks like it is better to populate M2_1 only and just use lower M2_4_5 if required.

Drat! DDR5 Ram not coming now till the 6th August .

Right.  M2_1 will run at full PCIe 5 speed regardless of which other slots you populate (this is because it uses 4 dedicated CPU lanes).  Unless you're willing to split PCIe lanes to the GPU to get more PCIe 5-speed storage, then avoid M2_2 and M2_3.  Use (up to two) PCIe 4 drives at M2_4 and M2_5.

On that point, let me strongly recommend that you use a smaller, less expensive PCIe 4 drive to boot from (i.e., separate boot and game drives).  Even if you boot to a considerably slower drive, you're still far better off not running the game from the same drive you boot/run the OS.

Just looking at the pic above.  Please tell me you do not intend to mount that AIO CPU cooler as an intake...

Edited 1 hour ago by kksnowbear