no bug new tgp PIP useless??

[nighteyes2017]

So from my previous bug report and the answer on it, i understand that the tv is actually at a higher zoom. but with the surrounding IR picture is basically means the same detail level.

So whats the point???

I mean, i get it if the PIP show a higher zoom than the surrounding area. Isn't the idea then that you can use the surrounding area to see where your target pod is looking in the big picture, and then see more detail at the PIP? that would be a good workflow and i'm guessing here, but i think that would be the point. But if the PIP just shows the same picture, but just in TV mode, what is the use? 

I therefore think that the level of detail in the PIP should be higher than the surrounding area???

 

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, nighteyes2017 said:

So from my previous bug report and the answer on it, i understand that the tv is actually at a higher zoom. but with the surrounding IR picture is basically means the same detail level.

So whats the point???

I mean, i get it if the PIP show a higher zoom than the surrounding area. Isn't the idea then that you can use the surrounding area to see where your target pod is looking in the big picture, and then see more detail at the PIP? that would be a good workflow and i'm guessing here, but i think that would be the point. But if the PIP just shows the same picture, but just in TV mode, what is the use? 

I therefore think that the level of detail in the PIP should be higher than the surrounding area???

 

please post any public evidence you have to show an example. 

also if you are posting a bug please include a track replay 

thank you 

[Ivandrov]

1 hour ago, nighteyes2017 said:

So from my previous bug report and the answer on it, i understand that the tv is actually at a higher zoom. but with the surrounding IR picture is basically means the same detail level.

So whats the point???

I mean, i get it if the PIP show a higher zoom than the surrounding area. Isn't the idea then that you can use the surrounding area to see where your target pod is looking in the big picture, and then see more detail at the PIP? that would be a good workflow and i'm guessing here, but i think that would be the point. But if the PIP just shows the same picture, but just in TV mode, what is the use? 

I therefore think that the level of detail in the PIP should be higher than the surrounding area???

 

The level of detail is in fact higher in the TV portion.

The TV modes of these pods have always been my goto for actually identifying details beyond just hotspots. Vehicle type and even the specific vehicle. So this seems very useful in centering yourself on the surrounding hotspots and then have the center object be examined in the higher detail TV mode.

 

Or you can look at it as focusing on the center while having more obvious spots on things moving into the outside frame or even moving within it that you are not necessarily focusing on.

Edited yesterday at 08:56 AM by Ivandrov

[nighteyes2017]

It still doesn't make sense to me to just use a tv mode in the center which has the same level of zoom (absolute zoom, i'm not talking about the fact that the tv zoom has to zoom further than the ir to get the same picture). Not just in the TGP and flightsims, but as a general rule, PIP's are used to give a more zoomed in detail of a larger view. Think electronic microscopes for a second for example. The pip's on those monitors show a higher level of zoom than the general area the camera is aiming at and not just a crisper image.

I get that the quality of the image is better in tv mode (what about at night?) but the zoom level itself in my opinion should also be higher. I cannot fathom that any airforce would miss something like that. I can even imagine that one could simple set the level of zoom of the pip itself. 

With the old TGP, i normally would set a zoom level where i can distinguish potential targets as small dots, and then inspect those dots using the FOV button, and if it is not a target, i zoom out again and scan further using that general level. Thus inspecting each potential dot. 

With the PIP, i would have expected this to be able to do in 1 pass. With the higher zoom in the PIP. So it is not intended to work like this? I would call that i missed chance. 

Unfortunately i don't have any documents or sources to show any of this, i am just very much wondering and speculating about the functionality and usefulness of the PIP here.

If it just works like this in real life, fine. If we wanna do it as real as possible, no arguments there. It just that it seems a waste of potential functionality.

[BIGNEWY]

41 minutes ago, nighteyes2017 said:

It still doesn't make sense to me to just use a tv mode in the center which has the same level of zoom (absolute zoom, i'm not talking about the fact that the tv zoom has to zoom further than the ir to get the same picture). Not just in the TGP and flightsims, but as a general rule, PIP's are used to give a more zoomed in detail of a larger view. Think electronic microscopes for a second for example. The pip's on those monitors show a higher level of zoom than the general area the camera is aiming at and not just a crisper image.

I get that the quality of the image is better in tv mode (what about at night?) but the zoom level itself in my opinion should also be higher. I cannot fathom that any airforce would miss something like that. I can even imagine that one could simple set the level of zoom of the pip itself. 

With the old TGP, i normally would set a zoom level where i can distinguish potential targets as small dots, and then inspect those dots using the FOV button, and if it is not a target, i zoom out again and scan further using that general level. Thus inspecting each potential dot. 

With the PIP, i would have expected this to be able to do in 1 pass. With the higher zoom in the PIP. So it is not intended to work like this? I would call that i missed chance. 

Unfortunately i don't have any documents or sources to show any of this, i am just very much wondering and speculating about the functionality and usefulness of the PIP here.

If it just works like this in real life, fine. If we wanna do it as real as possible, no arguments there. It just that it seems a waste of potential functionality.

Hi, from our research of publicly available sources this is working as it should. 

if you have any contrary public information please feel free to dm me with it. 

thank you  

[BIGNEWY]

Just to add. 

The logic and purpose of the PIP, and the combined TV/FLIR FOV cycle in general, is explained in the new AAQ-33 chapter under Sensor Management. Take a look at the updated manual in your install. 

thank you