Possible replacements for the Razbam modules if reconcilation isn't possible?

[upyr1]

14 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

As much as I unconditionally love Heatblur, they haven't found the Holy Grail yet. Let them finish what they've already started.
As for the four modules? I don't think any other team can pick them up without also hiring the devs.
Personally, I don't know the dynamics inside Razbam, but since the devs haven't been paid, maybe they sit on the code and can start a new team and make a deal directly with ED. Nah, that's far too much hoping.

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If HB really is too busy to take on the F-15E then all I ask is that who ever picks up the ball at least discusses licencing Jester. HB has said that  they would do that and I believe it would be nice to have a common RIO/WSO interface. 

[Buta]

16小时前，Exorcet说：

Replacement as in someone else at some point makes the same planes and sells them as new modules, sure. I have no qualms buying them, if well made and supported, again as they would be their own individual modules with all the work that entails, but I wouldn't expect that for quite some time.

You mean pay twice? Did customers cause all those troubles?

[upyr1]

16 minutes ago, bfr said:

I think RB originally meant to do a British Harrier version (probably the Sea Harrier) but ran into a wall regarding documentation of some areas, hence the pivot to the AV-8B.

I'd like to know which varaint they were looking at? Knowing how things often work, the default is to go for the most advanced variant you can get documents for. The AV-8 we have may be the closest to the RAF bird 

3 minutes ago, Buta said:

You mean pay twice? Did customers cause all those troubles?

Ideally if you have the originals you should at least get a deep discount to make up for the mess 

[some1]

It took Razbam more than 10 years to make those 4 airplanes. Sure, you could argue than a more focused and competent developer, already familiar with DCS, could make them a bit faster, but who's available? ED barely makes one aircraft a year, more like 1,5 years to early access. Heatblur takes even longer.

Hope we'll all live long enough to actually see those "replacements".

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[MAXsenna]

11 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

If HB really is too busy to take on the F-15E then all I ask is that who ever picks up the ball at least discusses licencing Jester. HB has said that  they would do that and I believe it would be nice to have a common RIO/WSO interface. 

Yup, they have said that. To be honest, I say a hard NO! We're in 2025. Jester/George/Petrovich and whatver PC were to call their's deserve voice commands! VAICOM has proven this with Jester, but the F-4 Jester is locked down. Just have a look what guys have achieved with VoiceAttack/VAICOM using other means to get better recognition without the Windows Speech Recognition. 

[Buta]

4分钟前，some1说：

Hope we'll all live long enough to actually see those "replacements".

In this era of rampant wars, I really doubt if I can live to see that day.

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Yup, they have said that. To be honest, I say a hard NO! We're in 2025. Jester/George/Petrovich and whatver PC were to call their's deserve voice commands! VAICOM has proven this with Jester, but the F-4 Jester is locked down. Just have a look what guys have achieved with VoiceAttack/VAICOM using other means to get better recognition without the Windows Speech Recognition. 

I'd love to see voice command added too but the fewer AI GIBs we have the easier it will be 

[bfr]

2 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I'd like to know which varaint they were looking at? Knowing how things often work, the default is to go for the most advanced variant you can get documents for. The AV-8 we have may be the closest to the RAF bird  

Sea Harrier FRS1 I think, as getting the docs for the Blue Fox radar was a major problem.

And yes, the AV8B has a fair bit of overlap with later RAF variants.

[Exorcet]

2 hours ago, Buta said:

You mean pay twice? Did customers cause all those troubles?

I mean pay fairly for work done. Some unrelated party making new modules would have nothing to do with the previous modules. It would only make sense to pay for work done.

 

No one buying the modules caused the problems, that's true. That doesn't mean we're entitled to free things.

[upyr1]

4 minutes ago, bfr said:

Sea Harrier FRS1 I think, as getting the docs for the Blue Fox radar was a major problem.

And yes, the AV8B has a fair bit of overlap with later RAF variants.

Sure it wasn't the 

Sea Harrier FRS.51 or 

Sea Harrier F(A).2

I know in 2019 or so there were screenshots of a WIP Sea Harrier . The FRS1 used the Blue Fox and the F(a).2 used the Blue Vixen which was further developed into the Typhoon's radar 

The FRS.51 used the Euroradar Captor

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroradar_CAPTOR

 

[Tom P]

Sounds like a lot of money and time to replace modules that we already have. 

I don't think any other developer can replicate the mirage let alone it's flight model. Razbam had constant feedback from active mirage pilots that were using the dcs for training before the C model was retired from France. It's the closest 1:1 aircraft in DCS.