Im_TheSaint Posted August 2 Posted August 2 (edited) I understand the technical differences between the pods, tell me which one you actually prefer though Which one do you actually think is better? The zoom is so much nicer on the litening pod, and that actually makes it much more usefull for me for A2A and A2G purposes. There are very few uses of the advanced features of the SNIPer, that are both usable, and necessary, at the lower ranges it can be used for. Tell me a use case that the SNIPer can do, that the LITENING can't, I'm really curious. Edited August 2 by Im_TheSaint 1
Solution Tholozor Posted August 2 Solution Posted August 2 Keep in mind the zoom on the LITENING pod isn't digital like it should be (like on the ATP), making it unrealistically good. The ATP also has multi-track and an IR pointer. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Dragon1-1 Posted August 2 Posted August 2 Our LITENING appears to be a mix of II and G4 versions, the latter of which has optical zoom. I think the version in DCS was actually supposed to be a G4, but the docs were incomplete.
Hatman335 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 14 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: Our LITENING appears to be a mix of II and G4 versions, the latter of which has optical zoom. I think the version in DCS was actually supposed to be a G4, but the docs were incomplete. Litening G4 came later than M4.2.
NytHawk Posted August 3 Posted August 3 (edited) 14 hours ago, Im_TheSaint said: Tell me a use case that the SNIPer can do, that the LITENING can't, I'm really curious. LITENING lacks Multi-Track, the IR pointer and can't be used for slaving sidewinder seekers. MT makes engaging several ground targets with JDAMs in quick succession much easier since you don't need to manually slave the tgp after each drop, or make markpoints with the DED. The only real downside to the Sniper is that there are penalties for digital zoom. But LITENING having perfect digital zoom is just a DCSism. Edited August 3 by NytHawk
Dragon1-1 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 46 minutes ago, Hatman335 said: Litening G4 came later than M4.2. Yeah, but that's why the current LITENING was based on, at least where it wasn't more like LANTIRN. If that pod returns to the Viper, it should be a proper LITENING II, without digital zoom.
Furiz Posted August 3 Posted August 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said: Yeah, but that's why the current LITENING was based on, at least where it wasn't more like LANTIRN. If that pod returns to the Viper, it should be a proper LITENING II, without digital zoom. We will not get Litening II for Viper since they don't have enough public docs for that, We should get Lantirn later on. Edited August 3 by Furiz 1
RyanR Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) Problem here is that the F-16 Litening pod isn't real. It was a placeholder. No actual pod can "see" that well, and ED says it's a mish-mash of technologies. On the other hand, the ATP is an attempt at reality. In other words, reality *is* the use case for the ATP. -Ryan Edited August 6 by RyanR 1
SeeYouAtTheMerge Posted August 5 Posted August 5 On 8/3/2025 at 9:02 AM, Dragon1-1 said: Yeah, but that's why the current LITENING was based on, at least where it wasn't more like LANTIRN. If that pod returns to the Viper, it should be a proper LITENING II, without digital zoom. the current litening in the game has 0 resembelence to the G4. The G4 has a IR Pointer, LTIP, REOs, XR, and SWFOV, Multi Target Tack and many other things we dont have. We definitely do not have the LITENING G4 nor do we have the AT.
Tholozor Posted August 6 Posted August 6 AFAIK the LITENING on the F-16 was supposed to represent the baseline II, but as we know it's a mish-mash of LITENING and LANTIRN. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
LordOrion Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) On 8/2/2025 at 11:46 PM, Im_TheSaint said: I understand the technical differences between the pods, tell me which one you actually prefer though Which one do you actually think is better? The zoom is so much nicer on the litening pod, and that actually makes it much more usefull for me for A2A and A2G purposes. There are very few uses of the advanced features of the SNIPer, that are both usable, and necessary, at the lower ranges it can be used for. Tell me a use case that the SNIPer can do, that the LITENING can't, I'm really curious. I was about to open a thread for this very same question. ATM the ATGP/Sniper is far less capable/useful than the good old franken-Litening: Image quality is so bad that is quite difficult to find targets (and the ATGP is supposed to help you find targets). Still have to undertand what is the logic behind having picture-in-picture mode with TV over CCD instead of the opposite, which to me seems to be much more useful. I had great expectations on the ATGP but looks like it is a downgrade respect to the Litening... Edited 6 hours ago by LordOrion RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" "I love this game: I am not going to let Zambrano steal the show." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog + AVA Base + Pro Rudder Pedals|TrackIR 5|
NytHawk Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 3 minutes ago, LordOrion said: I was about to open a thread for this very same question. ATM the ATGP/Sniper is far less capable/useful than the good old franken-Litening. Sure the LITENING has overall better video quality, primarily because it lacks digital zoom modelling. However Multi-Track on the ATP is pretty useful in A2G missions. Personally the digital zoom modelling hasn't affected me much in how i operate A2G missions because of the XR processing. But many people do dislike how you can't just constantly slew the ATP around and have crystal clear imagery, which i understand.
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